Wednesday - November 17, 2010

HISTORIAN AND MR. EGO BLAMES BUSH AGAIN,AGAIN,AGAIN,AGAIN.BAD BUSH, NAUGHTY USA …

And this bit of Bush bad mouthing is from a conservative.  I’ve read one or two of his history books but think I need to question a bit more his conclusions. He makes statements here I know aren’t spot on.  For example, he says “It is probably no coincidence that Nazi Germany employed the most brutal security methods of any nation in the Second World War, yet had the worst intelligence about its enemies.”
Yeah but not because they used torture.  The Russians sure as heck were their equal if not their betters when it came to torture.  As it happens, I’ve just finished a book called “Stalin’s Follies” and what an eye opener that was.  Anyway, German intel mostly failed for other reasons and the Soviets had em beat at that too.
Bottom line ... according to this loony tune, as usual, it’s all due to Bush. It’s ALL his fault.

Sometimes I just have to post things like this.  Not saying our people haven’t made mistakes or wrong footed something. But I question things like this.

In this war, the West is supposed to stand for democracy, freedom and truth. But Guantanamo has become a global byword for repression and cruelty, conducted in the name of the U.S. and its allies. 

Bullshit Mr. Hastings.  It’s being fought to keep the scummy bastards at arms distance. I don’t buy the democracy and freedom thing as regards the ragheads who pray with their ass in the air and brainwash their women to accept subservience as normal.  Talk till you’re blue in the face, those folks have no use for and wouldn’t know what to do with truth and freedom and democracy. And you only have to read the signs they happily hold before the cameras in your own streets when they protest democracy and freedom.  The only freedom they approve of is theirs. And the freedom they want is the freedom to bury the west.
And they eventually will do just that as long as there are folks like you who should know better, who give them the moral support they need by bad mouthing our own side so publicly. Putz!  With regard to all the money that will be given away to the terrorist scum. That’s what happens in both our countries when you allow civil rights lawyers to run things.

COMMENTARY: MAX HASTINGS

This is the price of Blair’s slavish backing for Bush

Many people in this country will be very angry – and rightly so – that ‘British’ former inmates of Guantanamo Bay detention centre are to receive compensation from the taxpayer of up to £1million each.

The beneficiaries are people who may have legal title to British citizenship, but have shown themselves at least sympathetic to Al Qaeda, and bitterly hostile to the West.

Binyam Mohamed, for example, was arrested in Pakistan eight years ago on suspicion of planning a ‘dirty bomb’. Omar Deghayes, 38, was born in Libya, moved to Britain as a child but preferred to live in Afghanistan under Taliban rule.

Even if there was insufficient proof of their participation in terrorism to secure court convictions, most of those who were released to Britain from American custody regard themselves as foes of this country. Now they are about to get rich out of us.

This is an ugly story, which once again seems to highlight the weakness of the West, reveals the exploitation of human rights law which makes us a soft touch and involves huge waste of public money.

However our government had little choice save to approve this out-of-court settlement. It was advised that, if these men’s cases went to full hearings, the legal costs would be enormous, sensitive intelligence would be made public and, in any case, the Government was bound to lose.

All litigation involving Guantanamo detainees is fatally compromised by the fact that some, if not all, are now acknowledged to have been subjected to torture. Britain’s intelligence services at the very least knew how they were being treated.

Some victims allege that Secret Intelligence Service or MI5 officers were present at their interrogations. Crucially, the Bush administration has been exposed as having lied systematically about its maltreatment of prisoners while being aware it was taking place.

Indeed, an American security expert says: ‘What happened at Guantanamo is a case study in everything that was wrong with the Bush administration.’

After 9/11, when Washington’s neo-conservatives declared their misnamed ‘war on terror’, Bush and his cohorts decided that extraordinary times demanded extraordinary measures. There followed a bonfire of legal safeguards against the mistreatment of suspected terrorists.

Washington sought somewhere to hold out of reach of federal jurisdiction. The American-owned Pacific islands of Wake and Guam – and even the possibility of an aircraftcarrier at sea – were all considered.
Claims: Inmates of Guantanamo allege that extreme torture technique, including waterboarding, are used

Claims: Inmates of Guantanamo allege that extreme torture technique, including waterboarding, are used

But in Guantanamo Bay, with its unique legal status as a U.S. base leased from Cuba, the CIA could use extreme interrogation techniques (including waterboarding) to force the prisoners to confess their ‘crimes’.

In his memoirs published last week, former president Bush claims that as a result of these controversial interrogation techniques, vital information was obtained from the prisoners which meant that lives were saved in Britain and America.

However, I know no one in security circles on either side of the Atlantic who believes this. For although torture sometimes persuades hard men to talk, it seldom induces them to tell the truth. It is probably no coincidence that Nazi Germany employed the most brutal security methods of any nation in the Second World War, yet had the worst intelligence about its enemies.

Here’s what some readers have to say.

We dare not speak otherwise the Thought Police will be kick our doors in. They don’t seem to very successful with real TERRORISTS, DO THEY?

- Notyetavet, Blackpool, 17/11/2010 09:55

Pandering and appeasement; is what I call it.
- Mark Rosmar, Romford, Essex, 17/11/2010 07:30

Couldnt have put it better...I would have added gutless as well

- Eddie, Southampton, 17/11/2010 09:55

What a shabby useless heap of garbage we have governing this country, show me proof before you give my money away. I do not believe the recipients of these payments are totally without complicity in trying to destroy the fabric of our society.

- Ron Styles, Yorkshire, 17/11/2010 09:47

HERE’S A LINK TO ALL THE REST

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