Sarah Palin is the other whom Yoda spoke about.

calendar   Friday - May 29, 2015

just what we always needed. a kosher taliban.

Whodda thought a Jewish cult or sect, I call em a group of 18th century idiots,
would turn themselves in to the Taliban.

You’d think they would have enough sense to keep their head under the parapets, especially with the stupid looking dress they wear. I mean come on, look at this guys hat.  I’d be curious to know exactly where in Jewish scripture, it says the men have to look like damn fools.  And they do.  Just what the fuck we need in today’s world.  Like Jews don’t have enough problems to deal with, along comes a kosher Taliban.
What next?  I suppose at least they aren’t 5th century. But hell, these jerks aren’t even 20th yet.  I understand this edict is the order of a smallish group within the Hasidic sect.  I know they don’t represent anyone but themselves.  However … sorry folks.
I find them embarrassing in the extreme. 

I read this only today in the iNews, which I failed to find on line for this story. So my source became a place I never heard of before after a Google search. It adds a lot more than did the article I read. 

Just to give you some idea besides this issue, here’s something from the comments section which I saw reported on TV years before the Daily Beast article in 2012 that is quoted here.

Consistently in New York state, where Hasidim cluster, the departing party (male or female) who is going “off the derech (path),” loses both custody and visitation with their children, in order not to confuse them by living in households with two different practices. Members of the community will show up to support the spouse remaining in the community and rumors spread about the terrible behavior of the one departing.  Usually, they’re considered unstable, crazy, and if a woman, whorish.  There have been some notorious metal breakdowns and suicides among those who leave, due to the treatment from the community.
Judges in New York are elected and Hasidim are generally monolithic voting blocs, voting as directed by their Rebbes.  Consequently, judges tend to be in the pockets of the Hasidim.
Women can get away without driving in NY Hasidic communities because a. Families usually live within walking distance of the school and b.  NYC has great public transportation.
Lastly, most husbands don’t have to worry about getting into trouble for not getting to work on time because they’re transporting their children because THEY DON’T WORK.

From a 2012 Daily Beast article:

Take the overwhelmingly Hasidic Kiryas Joel, the poorest place in America. As the Times reported last year, “half of [its] residents receive food stamps, and one third receive Medicaid benefits and rely on federal vouchers to help pay their housing costs.” And boy, do they have children: The median household in Kiryas Joel has six people, and the median age is twelve. Many of its men learn Torah full-time instead of working, and the community’s low high-school graduation rate would be even lower if its religious schools had real academic standards. These kids are hardly being “socialized to the world of work.” And it’s not just Kiryas Joel: back in 1996, at the heart of “welfare reform,” a full third of Williamsburg’s Hasidim received public assistance.

And there is this.

The Israel-based leader of the sect, Yissachar Dov Rokeach, caused another upset last year when he reminded his women followers that they must shave their heads in accordance with its religious requirements, that any food prepared by a woman without a shaved head is not kosher and that they must not wear noisy shoes. If these requirements are taught in the sect’s schools, it will be interesting to see how the Ofsted Inspectors reconcile this with preparing the students “for life in modern Britain”.

London: Hasidic Jewish Sect Bars Women Driving

Rabbis of the Hasidic Jewish sect Belz in part of north London have instructed women that they must not drive as this breaches the “the traditional rules of modesty in our camp”.


A letter sent to the community warns that children driven to school by their mothers will be turned away.

The letter, which was signed by Belz educational leaders and endorsed by rabbis, also said women could be banned from their schools if their mothers drove them from August onwards.

It cited increasing numbers of “mothers of pupils who have started to drive” which it said had led to “great resentment among parents of pupils of our institutions”.

Stamford Hill’s residents are predominately Hasidic Jewish and only New York is believed to have a larger community of Hasidic Jews outside of Israel.

Many of London’s Jewish community are descendants of those fleeing progroms and state repression from the 19th century onwards. Arriving poor, they followed other groups of refugees in establishing communities around the docks in East London.

Like the Hugenots (French Protestants) they followed, many prospered and moved to more pleasant parts of London, especially to the north west in areas like Golders Green and Stamford Hill. The trend continues with many less religious Jews moving further to the outer suburbs and Essex, to the east of London. For the more observant, the area of NW London provided a place where the community could cohere.

Several eruvs have been set up to enable more activities, like pushing wheelchairs, to occur outside the home on the Sabbath. A number of Jewish schools, both private and part publicly funded serve the community. 

Stamford Hill is, well, hilly. It is built on part of the escarpment of the Thames’ river valley and as such is quite steep. For mothers with large families, the use of a car eases the burden of taking children to school, especially if the children’s ages mean they go to several different schools or nurseries (kindergarten) or to separate boys’ and girls’ schools. The rabbis’ order has therefore proved controversial:

Dina Brawer, UK Ambassador of the Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance, said that “the instinct behind such a draconian ban is one of power and control, of men over women. In this sense it is no different from the driving ban on women in Saudi Arabia. That it masquerades as a halachic imperative is shameful and disturbing.”

While many Chasidic women do not drive, this is thought to be the first formal declaration against the practice in the UK.

One local woman said that the policy “disables women. The more kids they have, the more they need to drive.” But she believed that some women would take no notice of the policy. “They say one thing, they do another,” she said.

The Belz, who originated in Ukraine in the early 18th century, are one of the most prominent Hasidic sects and re-established their headquarters in Israel after the war. When its leader’s grandson celebrated his wedding in Israel two years ago, some 25,000 guests attended.

It is not the first time the Jewish community in Stamford Hill has caused controversy. In September last year posters put up by a Jewish group for a religious parade warning women to only walk on one side of the road were removed by Hackney council after they were deemed “unacceptable”

This is a very, very, very long article with lots of background info if interested at the link.
I would recommend the comments section where there are some interesting comments.



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calendar   Monday - March 30, 2015

Msileading Headline of the Morning

CBS: Arizona Lawmaker: Church Attendance Should Be Mandatory

Text from the story:

PHOENIX (CBS Las Vegas)– A Republican lawmaker is raising eyebrows after proposing church attendance should be made mandatory.

Arizona State Sen. Sylvia Allen made the comments during a committee meeting with lawmakers. The meeting was concerning a gun bill and concealed weapons permits, as reported by KPHO.

“I believe what’s happening to our country is that there’s a moral erosion of the soul of America,” Allen said.

Allen said more people may feel the need to carry weapons if a “moral rebirth” doesn’t occur in America.

“It’s the soul that is corrupt. How we get back to a moral rebirth I don’t know. Since we are slowly eroding religion at every opportunity that we have. Probably we should be debating a bill requiring every American to attend a church of their choice on Sunday to see if we can get back to having a moral rebirth,” she told the committee, as reported by KPHO.

“But since that would not be allowed and we would not even be debating that, I’m going to vote yes that people who are responsible who have a CCW permit don’t have to worry about their guns as they’re out and about and doing business in whatever building they’re in except ones that where they aren’t allowed,” Allen went on to say.

Democratic Sen. Steve Farley attended the meeting and posted Allen’s comments on social media. Farley also mentioned that Allen’s idea goes against the Constitution.

“Even if you believe that would stem the moral decay, I think the Constitution makes it very clear that our country is founded on the pillar of separation of church and state,” Farley said.

Please tell me how you get to “Church attendance should be mandatory” from “ since that would not be allowed and we would not even be debating that” and “Probably we should be debating a bill”? The Senator was clearly speaking hypothetically, and immediately denied her own hypothesis.

Get a friggin clue, morons.

Oh, and my guess as to the reason she shot it down is that public outcry would be deafening. Such a bill would not be at all unconstitutional. Democrat Senator Farley is misinformed.

The first line of the First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” This is known as the Establishment Clause. It applies to Congress, ie the federal government. Period. What it means is that there shall be no national religion. Period. It does not apply AT ALL to the States, who are completely within their powers to decide if they wish to have an Official Religion or not.  In fact, more than one of the early state constitutions mention Protestantism in exactly this manner, and at least one, Massachusetts, also required regular church attendance. With fines for non-compliance. And they collected those fines until some point in the 1830s or 1840s IIRC.

Farley’s “pillar” is in fact completely wrong. Completely, utterly wrong in the modern sense [ see the nuance coming? ] that any contact between church and government (state and local included) is some kind of poisonous anathema. We have SCOTUS Justice (Alabama Democrat) Hugo Black to thank for this twisted view; FDR’s sycophant flunky, high school drop out, and racist Klansman. Because the Klan hated more than just blacks and gays. They hated Catholics and Jews too.

Ok ... this should get a lively debate going! Have at it!


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calendar   Thursday - February 12, 2015

actually, most jews are not fundamentalists but …..

From the absolutely stupid and unfathomable.

What makes these loony tunes think God sits around with a paper and pen and says to the angel Gabriel, just a minute, I’m going to jot down a few more rules to make ppl live by, and you get to enforce them.

Somehow I find it difficult to believe that their God has appointed this idiot minority , who live on a different planet and in another century, to lord it over other people not of their faith or belief.  And they really are a minority. A very embarrassing one.
And in case you didn’t know, like muslims, they too separate the women from the men in religious services.  I never understood why.

From iNews


There is an old saying that “Most Israelis don’t go to synagogue, but the synagogue which they don’t go to is orthodox.”

Indeed, the more modern branches of Judaism, which count the majority of Jewish adherents in the UK and worldwide, are unrecognized by the Israeli state. Conversions and weddings have legal force in Israel only if they are conducted by orthodox rabbis. And there is no civil marriage in the Jewish state.

This anomaly hit close to home last week when I went to register my daughter as an American citizen at the US consulate in Jerusalem, which does not recognise the validity of marriages by non-orthodox rabbis. My own marriage certificate was pushed away by the consul as if it was a worthless scrap of paper. “If you like you can make a declaration that your child was born out of wedlock and we can then process the application,” the consul said.

He volunteered a suggestion for me to avoid problems in the future: go to Cyprus, get married (again) there and then register the wedding in Israel, which recognises foreign marriages, but not those of its own “non-kosher” rabbis. This is a time-honoured route taken by many couples who need to be legally married, but it merely perpetuates the monopoly.

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Isn’t an American consulate the same as American territory?  And even if not, how does it happen that one of our consulates must follow the religious law of some medieval cult in relation to an American citizen?  I’m lost on this one. Maybe I misread it.

And from the divinely dumb to the outrageously callus.

This seems par for the course over here and from what our Wardmom writes occasionally on the subject, this kind of inhumanity is not the sole province of care givers in the UK. 

Left to die by callous paramedic: Shocking video shows ambulance man stood with his hands in pockets as patient had heart attack in front of him in hospital car park

· Carl Cope died outside A&E as paramedic Matt Geary casually looked on

· Geary was today handed eight month suspended sentence

· West Midlands Police pursued conviction after being shocked at footage

· Geary knew Mr Cope suffered chest pains since he brought him to hospital

· Mr Cope’s heartbroken family say his death has had ‘devastating effect’


CCTV footage shows the moment Carl Cope falls to the ground in agony - but paramedic Matt Geary simply watches on instead of helping the dying man.
Despite confessing he had done nothing to help Mr Cope, Geary, 36, escaped a jail term and instead was sentenced for health and safety offences for failing to examine or resuscitate him. 

continued, scroll for the video

The article also points out the dead guy would have bought the farm anyway. Apparently he was in pretty bad shape to start with.
Still .......

Since I’ve been diagnosed with heart disease, I can’t help reading something like this and wondering hey, might that be meself one day? There ain’t no gar-un-tees in this life. Cept maybe taxes and Drew’s eye candy posts. And thank goodness for those.


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calendar   Wednesday - November 12, 2014



A sticky pad on the back adheres it to your SUV. 5.3” long, the Star Spangled Fish is made from real chrome. $9.95 from Patriot Depot.  Also available as a lapel pin, or on a T-shirt.

I like it.


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calendar   Friday - June 27, 2014

Quote of the Day

But, then again, no church is perfect. In fact, if I found a perfect church and joined it then it wouldn’t be perfect anymore.

Mike Adams


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calendar   Wednesday - June 04, 2014

Indentured servitude ordered by unelected gov’t ‘officials’.

Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit

A family owned bakery has been ordered to make wedding cakes for gay couples and guarantee that its staff be given comprehensive training on Colorado’s anti-discrimination laws after the state’s Civil Rights Commission determined the Christian baker violated the law by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Jack Phillips, the owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, in Lakewood, Colorado was directed to change his store policies immediately and force his staff to attend the training sessions. For the next two years, Phillips will also be required to submit quarterly reports to the commission to confirm that he has not turned away customers based on their sexual orientation.

Sounds like a violation of the 13th Amendment:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]

Refusing to bake a cake for homosexuals based on your religious beliefs is NOT a crime:

“We consider this reporting to be aimed at rehabilitating Jack so that he has the right thoughts,” Martin said. “That’s offensive to everything America stands for.”

Phillips, who is celebrating his 40th year in business this week, told me he’s not going to create any new policies.

“My old ones are pretty adequate as far as I’m concerned,” he said. “I don’t plan on giving up my faith and changing because of that.”

The controversy started in 2012 when a gay couple asked Phillips to make their wedding cake. Phillips politely declined, saying he could not make a cake promoting a same-sex ceremony because of his faith. He offered to make them any other baked item they wanted.

Charlie Craig and David Mullins filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission alleging they were discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. For the record, same-sex marriage is against the law in Colorado.

The commission affirmed a civil court’s ruling that the bakery cannot discriminate against persons in a public place based on sexual orientation.

“You can have your beliefs, but you can’t hurt other people at the same time,” Commission Chairwoman Katina Banks told The Denver Channel.

ACLU attorney Amanda Goad, who heads up the organization’s LBGT group, heralded the ruling.

“Religious freedom is undoubtedly an important American value, but so is the right to be treated equally under the law free from discrimination,” she said in a statement.

No, my dear. Religious freedom is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

Not only that, but you have the right to decide WHO you will make your artistic, or any skills, available to. Anything else is a violation of the 13th Amendments banning of involuntary servitude.

Not aware that a ‘commission’ is a court either. Never voted for anyone on a ‘commission’.

BTW, we have a RIGHT to discriminate!


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calendar   Monday - April 07, 2014

so, that why!


Sometimes, when it’s time to go, you go!

And now, you’ve got a week to get all the chametz out. Get busy.


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calendar   Wednesday - February 26, 2014

An interesting development

So I’m perusing and come across this headline:

"Forgive me, Father, for I have’s been a week since my last confession...I was checking out your wife during Mass again”

Wait a minute. Father, Mass, Wife? Did something change? Apparently it is starting to…

ST. LOUIS (KSDK) – Pope Francis has given permission for a St. Louis deacon, who is married, to be ordained into the priesthood.

Deacon Wissam Akiki will be ordained this week at St. Raymond’s Maronite Cathedral. He will be the first married man to be ordained into priesthood under the U.S. Maronite Catholic Church, according to Eparchy of our Lady of Lebanon Deacon Louis Peters.

Deacon Akiki previously attended the Holy Spirit University in Lebanon, Our Lady of Lebanon Maronite Seminary and the Aquinas Institute of Theology.

Deacon Akiki will be ordained Thursday at 6:30 p.m.

I’m assuming that’s their daughter in front.


Must say I approve. There is no Scriptural justification for the Catholic celibacy rule. In fact, that rule contributed to the Catholic homosexual pedophile priest scandal. While advocating marriage as Scriptural for laymen, they forbade it to the clergy. A situation just ripe for abuse.

Almost forgot to post my source: Story here.


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calendar   Sunday - February 09, 2014

american military and minority religions

OK bmews .... whatcha think of this?

I’ll have to be honest and confess, I really don’t know what to think.  It’s like, is this going to be one of those slippery slopes we read about so often and hear mentioned in interviews?
If the military must make (reasonable) allowances for minority religions and foreign customs, doesn’t it leave itself open in the future for new religions or old ones it today has not heard of? 

Truth to tell ... I’ve finally come around to the attitude that, heck. Doesn’t affect me and nothin’ I could do about it if it did, so just ignore it. At my age with whatever time is left to me, I have other things to be worried about.  I was never even comfortable with those new style berets I see the military wear btw.
They look too European for my taste, and I think they were originally designed by one or more artsy-fartsy fags.

Pentagon Eases Rules on Turbans, Beards in Military

By Robert Longley

The Department of Defense has issued new regulations allowing members of the military who follow minority religions to outwardly display signs of their beliefs, such as turbans and beards, as long as they do not interfere with military readiness, mission or discipline.

According to a Pentagon press release, requests for religious accommodation, while considered on a case-by-case basis, will usually be denied only if officials decide the item being worn or displayed:

Impairs the safe and effective operation of weapons, military equipment or machinery;
Poses a health or safety hazard to the service member wearing the religious apparel;
Interferes with the wear or function of special or protective clothing or equipment such as helmets, flak jackets, flight suits, camouflaged uniforms, protective masks, wet suits and crash and rescue equipment; or
Otherwise impairs the accomplishment of the military mission.

“Each request must be considered based on its unique facts, the nature of the requested religious accommodation, the effect of approval or denial on the service member’s exercise of religion, and the effect of approval or denial on mission accomplishment, including unit cohesion,” stated a Pentagon spokesman quoted in a press release.

According to the new directive, “the importance of uniformity and adhering to standards, of putting unit before self, is more significant and needs to be carefully evaluated when considering each request for accommodation.”

The directive also spells out criteria for evaluating “hair,” “grooming,” and “religious body art,” including tattoos and piercings as valid expressions of “sincerely held beliefs,” that cannot used as a reason for discipline or other “adverse personnel action.”

In addition, the new directive specifies that service members are free to not observe any religion at all.

“The Department of Defense places a high value on the rights of members of the military services to observe the tenets of their respective religions and the rights of others to their own religious beliefs,” said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nathan J. Christensen in a statement, “including the right to hold no beliefs.”

While members of the U.S. military are not required to declare any specific religious affiliation, Department of Defense statistics show that about 3 service members have self-declared themselves as Sikh Americans, 6,300 as Buddhists, 3,700 as Muslims and 1,500 as Wiccans.



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calendar   Wednesday - July 03, 2013


Well guys, a bit of a bru-haha. Maybe not much ha though.

Here’s the thing.  The TV station doing this is only doing it for the controversy and boy has it started, and we’re a week away from the event.

On Sundays there are a couple of religious programs on the radio.
One is called Songs of Praise and has been on air for donkey’s years.
The other I’m aware of has also been on a long time is Sunday Worship.
Both programs come from a different church or cathedral every week.
This still is (for the time being and time grows short) a Christian country.

OK so, those are just two Christian programs I’m aware of. I’m sure there are others and on TV possibly. That is not a problem.  The question now is, should it be alright and should people gripe because one TV channel has decided to air the muslim call to prayer around 3 in the morning, every morning during ram-a dumb.
Does anyone have a problem with that?  Most of us are still fast asleep at that hour, it will be on TV so nobody has to watch or listen who doesn’t want to.
In other words, it will not in any way be intrusive.

So then, here’s something from a muslim writer I thought was interesting.
Not having a TV and not missing one either, I have never seen C4 and so haven’t a clue about their broadcast habits.

A lot of people are upset about this.  I can’t see why.  With all the outlets that are purely for this group, I don’t imagine the ratings at C4 will explode and go through the roof. Whole thing sounds pretty boring.

How many Muslims will tune in to TV’s call to prayer? None

Writer reacts to outrage at C4 Ramadan announcement
By ANILA BAIG, Muslim writer

“BOYCOTT Channel 4!” “Is this a Muslim country?” “Last one to leave, turn out the lights.”
And that was just me.

Seriously, there have been many knee-jerk reactions — with emphasis on the “jerk” — to the news that Channel 4 is broadcasting the Muslim call to prayer every morning at 3am during Ramadan.

The likes of Anjem Choudary are quoted as saying this is good. Of course he is. AC is the go-to authority these days; moderate Muslims can go to hell.

But Choudary aside, once I had calmed down I asked myself: Will the sky fall down if Channel 4 broadcast a call to prayer for three minutes at 3am?
The call to prayer, the azaan, is led by the imam and lasts roughly a minute. Anyone who has holidayed in a Muslim country such as Turkey or Morocco will have heard it.

It is not being blasted out from British mosques. Just on a mainstream channel in the middle of the night.  Surely the only people awake at that time will be drunks rolling in from a night out? Ironic, huh?  And believe me, no Muslim is going to be tuning in to Channel 4 for the azaan.
We already have a plethora of Islamic channels to guide us during this special month. Some very observant Muslims even refuse to watch any TV during the holy month.

“That’s not the point,” the naysayers cry. “The fabric of Britishness is being eroded. This is a Christian country.”
They said the same things when Channel 4 broadcast an alternative Queen’s Speech featuring a woman in a niqab back in 2006

People say Muslim countries wouldn’t do the same for Christians — but this isn’t true either.  Go to Muslim countries in the Middle East at Christmas and shops will be decked out in baubles.  Church bells ring across parts of mega-conservative Pakistan every Sunday morning.
Three minutes in the middle of the night hardly signifies a death knell for Britain.

So, do I agree with it?  Not at all.

According to Ralph Lee, Channel 4’s head of factual programming, the broadcast is an act of deliberate “provocation”. Ain’t that the truth.

This is the channel that recently aired Dogging Tales and The Man With The 10-Stone Testicles.
And the channel that gave us The Untold Story last August — a documentary pouring scorn on the belief that Muhammad was a prophet of God — prompting 1,200 complaints.

Channel 4 doesn’t worship Islam, it worships controversy.

With the killing of soldier Lee Rigby and a number of retaliatory attacks on mosques across the country, this is the sort of provocation we can all do without.

The world doesn’t need more provocation, it needs more understanding.

And I say: Amen to that.



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calendar   Thursday - May 30, 2013

Christianity faces a permanent decline in Britain

Good morning and welcome to the latest chapter of the continuing and depressing news.

Do any of you remember a photo I posted last year, of Paris streets and muslim prayers?

You recall the dismal scene surely.

Lets take a look again.

Oh wait, this isn’t Paris, France.

THIS ...  IS LONDON (cue voice of Ed R. Murrow)

A Blitz of a different sort, but a Blitz nonetheless.


It isn’t a race issue why so many Brits do not recognize the country they grew up in.  And the current kiddies in school are being taught that there isn’t anything wrong and all is normal in their country. It’s a damn lie but the future liberals in training will buy into it.
Be sure and see the link for all the photos.

One country, two religions and three very telling pictures: The empty pews at churches just yards from an overcrowded mosque

· Two photos show Sunday morning services in churches in East London
· The third shows worshippers gathered for Friday midday prayers outside a nearby mosque
· The difference in numbers could hardly be more dramatic

By Guy Walters

Set aside the fact that our Queen is the Defender of the Christian Faith. Ignore the 26 Church of England bishops who sit in the House of Lords.
Pay no attention to the 2011 Census that told us 33.2 million people in England and Wales describe themselves as Christians.
For if you want a more telling insight into religion in the United Kingdom today, just look at these photographs. The story they tell is more revealing than any survey.

When the church was built in the early 18th century, it was designed to seat 1,230.

Numbers are similar at St Mary’s, opened in October 1849. Then, it could boast a congregation of 1,000. Today, as shown in the picture, the worshippers total just 20.

( see photos at link below)

While the two churches are nearly empty, the Brune Street Estate mosque has a different problem — overcrowding.
The mosque itself is little more than a small room rented in a community centre, and it can hold only 100.
However, on Fridays, those numbers swell to three to four times the room’s capacity, so the worshippers spill out onto the street, where they take up around the same amount of space as the size of the near-empty St Mary’s down the road.

What these pictures suggest is that, on current trends, Christianity in this country is becoming a religion of the past, and Islam is one of the future.

In the past ten years, there has been a decrease in people in England and Wales identifying as Christian, from 71.7 per cent to 59.3 per cent of the population.
In the same period the number of Muslims in England and Wales has risen from 3 per cent of the population to 4.8 per cent — 2.7 million people.
And Islam has age on its side. Whereas a half of British Muslims are under 25, almost a quarter of Christians are approaching their eighth decade.

It is estimated that in just 20 years, there will be more active Muslims in this country than churchgoers — an idea which even half a century ago would have been utterly unthinkable.

Many will conclude with a heavy heart that Christianity faces a permanent decline in Britain, its increasingly empty churches a monument to those centuries when the teachings of Christ governed the thoughts and deeds of the masses.

On Sunday October 1, 1738, St George’s was packed twice during the day to hear the great evangelist John Wesley, who then preached at the church for the following week explaining, as he put it, ‘the way of salvation to many who misunderstood what had been preached concerning it’.

Today, there are no John Wesleys to fill up the pews. The church does its best, offering, for example, a monthly ‘Hot Potato Sunday’, during which the few congregants can discuss the readings of the day over a baked potato.

Unless they can reinvigorate their congregations they may finally end up being deconsecrated.

When that happens, such large buildings will be attractive spaces for those who can fill them.

One day, in a few decades, St George’s may well again be packed with worshippers — but they will not be Christians.


Unless they can reinvigorate their congregations they may finally end up being deconsecrated.

And I have personally seen this.  In the real estate section of a Hampshire paper, which is several pages long, there are photos and ads for former churches, turned into private homes.  The bigger churches are even sub divided as rentals as well.  It’s a sad sight and I am not even religious.  I can guess the same happens back home in the USA in some communities, although I haven’t heard of it.  But it must surely happen there as well.

The face of this country is changing as is that of Europe perhaps at a slower rate as the benefits here have been so generous.  Which I understand is about to change. But it’s already too late.  :>(


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calendar   Wednesday - April 24, 2013

When Diversities Clash

Them vs. Them


A long read, but a real eye opening thought provoker. 7 page essay, with 10 pages of comments. The public school system in East Ramapo NY is failing. On the one side, poor Hispanics and Blacks, and a large (legal and illegal) immigrant population. On the other side, a poor and highly inclusive community of Hasidic Jews. Caught in the fiscal crossfire: the public school budget and the children who attend the public schools that have been stripped so much that the kids can’t sign up for enough classes to graduate High School.

It’s a helluva read, and will probably take you an hour if you hit all the comments. Right here.

And the comments are at least as good as the article; the whole county is wound up about it, but good, and in no uncertain terms. One small example from hundreds:

The strategy—to use politics to starve a place of resources so that one ethnic group will leave, abandoning it to another—is so strange that the only contemporary example that scholars offer took place in Zimbabwe, where the Mugabe regime seized the land of the last remaining white farmers. Some of the public-school parents have come to see the situation in East Ramapo through a lens similar to this.

I grew up in another part of this county. The Hasidim have always been there, in a very small gated world of their own making. But lately it seems their population is exploding. The Blacks and Hispanics and the South of the Border immigrants have always been there too, but in far lesser numbers in the past. With White Flight, now it seems that the buffer zone between them is eroding. As is the tax base. Uh oh.

Oh, and if the political might of this one little enclave seems a bit familiar, look back in history just a few years to the last days of the Clinton presidency and Hillary’s first win as a carpetbagging Senator. Hey, they were ripping off tax dollars earmarked for education then too, and boy did they cut a deal!

You might find the article a bit broken. The author starts out saying one thing, then shifts gears and turns the corner to try and say something completely different. I think a better written piece, or a follow-up, would have a much stronger perspective from the Black/Hispanic side of the issue, besides the short tales of a Haitian immigrant or two.

h/t to my brother for the link


Posted by Drew458   United States  on 04/24/2013 at 12:31 PM   
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calendar   Tuesday - May 01, 2012

Now let us pray, but just leave god out of it.

How’s that for a headline?

The council that kept its prayers – by dropping God

A council has dropped references to God from the prayer with which it opens meetings, under pressure from secularist campaigners.

By Jasper Copping

For as long as anyone can remember, councillors in Gloucestershire have stood up for a brief prayer before their meetings get under way.
But when three agnostic and atheist members staged a protest against the historic practice by remaining seated, the chairman decided something must be done to retain council unity.
So he hit upon an apparently ingenious solution: from now on, the prayer would still be said – but with all references to God removed.
So rather than asking “may He give us wisdom to carry out our duties ...”, the chairman now states “may we find the wisdom ...” - and the “prayer” still ends with the chairman leading other members in saying “amen”.
The authority is one of dozens across Britain which have recently scrapped or significantly altered their custom of saying prayers at the start of meetings under pressure from secular campaigners, who argue the practice breaches their human rights and excludes non-believers and people from other faiths.

I don’t know what percentage of the population is made up of non-believers or agnostics. I don’t even think it should matter. I also think these folks doing all the shouting out of all proportion to whatever numbers they add up to, are fakes. They are looking for issues and the majority are caving into them every time.
How are my human rights violated if I’m in a place where a prayer is conducted? Never bothered me. Never felt ‘excluded’ or any of the other phony, I’m a victim
maladies.  But we need to be fair.  These ppl are doing their jobs. Right?  They are, “activists.”
Where the hell’s that gun?

See the link for more on this story.



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calendar   Thursday - April 05, 2012

Mandatum novum do vobis ut diligatis invicem sicut dilexi vos

Queen Elizabeth distributes Maundy Thursday alms in York


The Queen received a rapturous welcome in York today as she prepared to hand out the traditional Royal Maundy money to pensioners from all over Britain to mark her Diamond Jubilee.
Dressed in an aquamarine and grey tweed overcoat and aquamarine hat, the Queen had to touch a ceremonial sword and mace before passing through the 12th century gateway to the walled city, Micklegate Bar.

The Queen was given the time-honoured Monarch’s welcome to the city in a medieval atmosphere conjured up by traditional musicians and musketeers.

She met the Lord Mayor David Horton and the town clerk, Kersten England, read out a proclamation of welcome.
Usually, the Maundy money is given to pensioners from one diocese each year. But this year, 86 women and 86 men - one for each of the Queen’s 86 years - will receive the money in recognition of their services to the Church and their communities.

The Royal Maundy ceremony traces its origins to the Last Supper when, as St John recorded, Jesus washed the feet of his disciples.

The royal party arrived at York Minster in bright sunshine cheered on by thousands of well-wishers.

The distribution of Maundy money is associated with the ceremony held on the Thursday before Good Friday which remembers Christ washing the disciples feet before the last supper. At the end of the meal Christ gave them a new commandment ..... “to love one another”.

The word maundy is derived from the Latin “mandatum” which means command.

The opening words of the Maundy ceremony are “ A new commandment give I unto you “ [ Mandatum novum do vobis ut diligatis invicem sicut dilexi vos ]

In England the Maundy ceremonies date back to the 5th century, but the first royal ceremony was held in Yorkshire in 1210 when King John was at Knaresborough.

The tradition started with the monarch giving out food, clothing and wine.  The first recorded instance of the monarch giving out Maundy money was in Rochester in 1213 when King John gave 13 pence to 13 poor men.

In the early days the reigning monarch washed the feet of the poor in imitation of Christ’s actions. This became less frequent in the 17th century with the outbreak of the plague, when the monarchs used to get people to deputise for them if there was any sign of possible health hazards. The washing of feet was discontinued by the 18th century.

Over time, additional money was substituted for the clothing and other items that had once been distributed.

The commandment, or mandatum, ‘that ye love one another’ (John XIII 34) is still recalled regularly by Christian churches throughout the world and the ceremony of washing the feet of the poor which was accompanied by gifts of food and clothing, can be traced back to the fourth century. 
Henry IV began the practice of relating the number of recipients of gifts to the sovereign’s age, and as it became the custom of the sovereign to perform the ceremony, the event became known as the Royal Maundy.

Today’s recipients of Royal Maundy, as many elderly men and women as there are years in the sovereign’s age, are chosen because of the Christian service they have given to the Church and community. At the ceremony which takes place annually on Maundy Thursday, the sovereign hands to each recipient two small leather string purses. One, a red purse, contains – in ordinary coinage – money in lieu of food and clothing; the other, a white purse, contains silver Maundy coins consisting of the same number of pence as the years of the sovereign’s age.


The red purse will contain a £5 coin commemorating The Queen’s Diamond Jubilee, and a newly minted 50p coin.

The white purse will contain uniquely minted Maundy Money of silver one, two, three and four penny pieces, the sum of which equals the Queen’s age.

Although all the coins are legal tender, they are minted of sterling silver (92.5% pure) and are not for general circulation.

England: Keeping Christian tradition alive since before the fall of the Roman Empire. Nicely done. And the crowd goes wild ...

Following the prayers and singing of the national anthem, the processions moved through the Minster to exit as music by Bach was played.

The royal party was greeted with rapturous applause and cheering as they emerged on to the steps of the Minster.


Posted by Drew458   United States  on 04/05/2012 at 07:49 AM   
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