Sunday - December 07, 2008
BRIT PAPER SAYS OBAMA TO DERAIL TERROR TRIAL. ?? OK people, what’s happening back home?
‘Architect’ of 9/11 to go on trial
On Monday morning, a heavily built man will be led from a concrete cell, whose slit window overlooks the Caribbean, by soldiers whose name tags have been removed from their uniforms and replaced with a Velcro strip reading: “I don’t know.”
By Tim Shipman in Washington
Last Updated: 3:03PM GMT 06 Dec 2008
The Supreme Court ruled in June that the Guantanamo detainees have a right to go before federal judges. But the Bush administration pushed through the trial of its most notorious captive so it could open before the president leaves the White House next month.
Lt-Col Darrel Vandeveld, a former Guantanamo prosecutor who resigned in disgust, said: “It’s absolutely clear that civilians running the commissions wanted to charge the 9/11 defendants to meet an arbitrary deadline. They wanted to rush what they viewed as the ‘worst of the worst’ through the system, regardless of the evidence or whether it had been obtained by waterboarding or other forms of torture.”
Generally I do not like to include my own viewpoint inside the stories here. If I do it isn’t too much more then a line maybe two at the most.
But this has me bothered no end I confess. The traitor quoted above, and yes he is that, has already been on Brit radio spewing his traitorous venom.
I do not have the entire article here, so please go to the link for everything.
Something I really want my countrymen and women to understand. Gitmo and torture and gasp, American dishonor over what libs and euro-weenies calling human rights violations. Yadda,Yadda. Any wonder I stay pissed off most of the time? This Guantanamo and torture thing get play here and we’re the heavies, not the bombers. So .... when I see a line in the paper here that says the following, I have to wonder just what the hell is going on back home and no, it isn’t all that easy to keep up even with computers. I have other things here that keep me busy and wound like a tight wire. I sometimes sign letters to ppl back home,
“The Prisoner.” So ok, you’re in a better position to know what’s happening there. (USA). Here’s the quote:
“THE TERRORISM TRIAL OF THE DECADE BEGINS TOMORROW IN GUANTANAMO BAY—
SO WHY IS THE US PRESIDENT - ELECT PLANNING TO DERAIL IT?”
The other quote is: “OBAMA STORMS THE TORTURE CHAMBER.”
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is one of three detainees the CIA admits to waterboarding, an “enhanced interrogation” technique that simulates drowning. Everything said in the court will be broadcast to the world on a 20 second delay so that classified material can be muted.
There is also a chance that the whole trial could be in vain if Mr Obama tears up the laws under which it is being conducted.
Clive Stafford Smith, who represents the former British resident Binyam Mohammed, awaiting trial in Guantanamo, is dismissive of the KSM hearing. “This is just a PR exercise. Nothing will come of it. It will all be shut down before the trial is completed,” he said.
The Sunday Telegraph has learned that Mr Obama’s aides have assured Western diplomats that he will announce the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and an end to “enhanced interrogation” as soon as he is sworn in. This could happen in his inauguration speech - or during his first week in office. The President-Elect is also planning a speech in an Arab city, probably Cairo, during his first 100 days to help repair relations with the Muslim world.
Lt-Col Vandeveld said: “The military commissions are bankrupt, morally and legally. We should end the shame of Guantanamo now, close it down. The handful of bona fide terrorists, who have been held at Guantanamo for as long as seven years, should be tried in a civilian court of law.”
Guantanamo has 242 remaining prisoners and it could take months to repatriate some and arrange alternative detention facilities on the US mainland for others. One diplomat said: “Obama will start things off pretty fast. We’re expecting a very early announcement. There will be a roadmap to closure and there will be some proper process of law. But it won’t shut down immediately. We recognise that there are real security threats with some of those left.”
A study of the remaining detainees conducted by the Weekly Standard magazine found that of the 242 prisoners, 174 either ran or attended terrorist training camps, 146 have either operated or stayed in an al-Qaeda or Taliban guest houses, 116 have links to jihadist recruiting networks and 112 fought in Afghanistan or elsewhere.
“KSM" himself, who is charged with 2,973 counts of murder, one for each person killed on September 11, is probably the most hated prisoner in US custody. The 9/11 Commission labelled him the “principal architect of the 9/11 attacks”. Without him there might well have been no 9/11 and no war on terrorism.
Captured in Pakistan in 2003 and sent to Guantanamo in 2006, KSM also confessed to personally beheading the American journalist Daniel Pearl, according to the CIA.
But KSM has subsequently retracted his confessions, claiming that translators “put many words in my mouth” and accusing his captors of torture.
His trial is a test, in part, of whether torture can ever be an effective or ethical part of the armoury of a Western nation.
Lt-Col Vandeveld is clear that it cannot. “Torture may result in reliable information, there’s no question about that. But is torture reconcilable with our basic humanity or with America’s desire to be an example to the rest of the world? The answer is no. Torture, however you define it, is wrong, appalling, immoral.”
A former CIA officer said, ‘You want to close Gitmo, fine, but make damn sure you know what you’re going to do with these people before you do.’ If you will only put them on trial after the fact it’s harder to prevent attacks.”
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Permalink • Thursday - December 04, 2008
German soldiers too fat to fight the Taliban .
Obviously not made of the same stuff Otto Skorenzy commanded.
The story with regard to them being overweight is a very old one. I’d have thought by now the problem would have been corrected. Guess not.
I better not say anything rude. After all, they’re our allies now.
German soldiers stationed in Afghanistan have been accused of being too fat to fight the Taliban because they drink too much.
By David Wroe in Berlin
A report by Germany’s Parliament found forces in Afghanistan got through more than 1.7 million pints of beer and 92,000 bottles of wine last year.
They are already on track to top those figures this year, with 901,000 pints of beer and 56,000 bottles of wine being shipped in the first six months.
US forces are not allowed to drink, while British soldiers are allowed only small quantities while off-duty.
Earlier this year, another report found that 40 per cent Germany’s 3,600 soldiers in Afghanistan were overweight.
This has prompted Reinhold Robbe, Parliamentary Commissioner for the armed forces, to observe: “Plainly put, the soldiers are too fat, exercise too little and take little care of their diet.”
There was also a stinging assessment given by the head of Germany’s crack commando squad, the KSK.
In a frank outburst, General Hans-Christoph Ammon, whose soldiers are fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban, said the scheme to train Afghan police – for which Germany is responsible – had been “a miserable failure”.
He said the German Government had put just 12 million towards training the Afghan Army and police.
“At that rate, it would take 82 years to have a properly trained police force,” he told Deutsche Press Agency.
The fresh criticisms follow a string of accusations against Germany’s military effort in Afghanistan, many of which revolve around alcohol.
Last year, American officers complained about a German colonel who was drunk at mission briefings, Der Spiegel has reported.
Thomas Raabe, a defence ministry spokesman, has defended the alcohol intake, saying it amounts to 0.77 litres of beer a day per soldier – less than the two 500ml cans they are permitted.
Many Germans oppose their country’s involvement in Afghanistan.
Nevertheless, the federal Parliament voted in October to extend the mission and boost the number of soldiers to 4500. Thirty German soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan since early 2002.
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Permalink • Jihadist forum calls for ‘YouTube Invasion’.
Jihadist forum calls for ‘YouTube Invasion’
A jihadist forum has urged supporters to wage a “YouTube Invasion” by uploading propaganda videos to the popular video-sharing website, the SITE Intelligence Group has claimed.
The US-based monitoring service said that the call was made last week by a member who called himself Omar Abdul Hakim on al-Faloja, a password-protected jihadist forum.
Those wishing to wage jihad should use the popular Google-owned website “to shame the crusaders by publishing clips of videos showing their losses,” Mr Hakim wrote.
“The members of YouTube number in the thousands of millions, and most of them are the filthiest and most dangerous people on earth,” Mr Hakim wrote, noting that it is even used by US President-Elect Barack Obama.
“Brothers, let us go to work and invade. I ask you, by Allah, as soon as you read this subject, to start recording on YouTube, and to start cutting and uploading and posting clips on the jihadist, Islamic, and general forums.”
The forum member included step-by-step instructions on how to post videos on YouTube and what software to use to cut clips into 10-minute sequences.
Islamic militant groups rely on the internet as a propaganda window. A draft US army intelligence report warned recently of the dangers of the micro-blogging service Twitter as a potential tool for terrorists.
In its “community guidelines,” YouTube says it seeks to “encourage free speech and defend everyone’s right to express unpopular points of view,” but it prohibits videos featuring graphic violence or hate speech.
Well people there you are. Got it from the goat’s mouth so be warned. They’re out there and you’re the target.
Bet you didn’t even know you might be, “filthiest and most dangerous people on earth.” Yeah. That’s us alright.
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Permalink • Wednesday - December 03, 2008
The terrorists among us
Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), the most likely culprit behind the massacre in Mumbai India that killed nearly 200 civilians, has a website hosted in the United States.
We’ve known for quite awhile that the Jamaat ud Daawa publicly ran a number of related websites (Urdu: http://jamatuddawa.org/; English: http://www.jamatdawah.org/) and that the group was the legal face of the outlawed LeT.
Jamat Dawa is the LeT’s “charity” and operates legally in Pakistan. U.S. intelligence agencies believe that the charity is a front for LeT fundraising which is used for terrorist operations in Indian Kashmir—and most recently in Mumbai. Jamaat Dawa claims it has no relation to the LeT.
The terrorist organization had the nerve to register the domain space in their own name, Jamaat ud Dawa. Cuz stoopid ‘Mericans don’t know no Urdu.
Yowsa. This is Rusty’s find, so go read the rest over at My Pet Jawa.
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Permalink • Monday - December 01, 2008
No Bleeding Hearts In Bollywood
Ain’t that a funny thing? Terrorists attack India and their movie industry DOESN’T run around blaming India. Or it’s leaders! I guess they haven’t learned how to be true Hollywood Stars yet. Good!
Wake up and strike terrorism with an iron hand, say Bollywood’s stars shocked by the brazen terror attack that targeted Mumbai’s poshest areas. From Hema Malini, who worries about her daughters, to Bipasha Basu, who narrowly missed the Vile Parle blast, this terror strike has shaken them all.
[reactions from various Bollywood stars ...]
Hema Malini: I think the Mumbai police rose to the occasion. It is very sad that we lost some brave officers. Hats off to the army for rescuing people. It’s really sad that Mumbai has become so unsafe.
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Bipasha Basu: It’s shocking and scary. We’re going through a very disturbing and inhuman phase.
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Shilpa Shetty: I had an early morning shoot Thursday so I went to sleep early. I had no clue about what happened in my city until someone called from London to ask if I was alright. That’s when I switched on the TV and quickly made calls to friends who live in town.It makes me sad and angry that Mumbai residents are soft targets for such attacks. It’s an unsettling feeling, especially since we seem not equipped to deal with it. This is an open war against humanity.
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Iqbal Khan: Mujahideen is such a sure and strong word. I’m sure they don’t even know the meaning.
As the Indian government tries to get to the bottom of the Mumbai horror, the people are getting angry. Pissing off ONE POINT THREE BILLION Hindus is not a smart idea. How many million Gurhkas do you think they have? I think the Pakis are gonna have a problem.
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Permalink • India:Fears five more terrorists are on the loose after their toothbrushes are found in attack boat.
Another headline story today has reported that Mrs. Clinton is going to make India a priority of her new post.
Oh good. That should make the Indians feel warm and cozy. But hey come to think of it. Maybe she and Obama can find answers and solve this awful problem. You never know. Lets be honest now gang.
We have not yet actually tried all holding hands and forming a circle and singing Kum-By -Ya, have we? It’s been talked about. But nobody has actually done it. Oh Boy. I think we’re gonna have some further problems.
Massacre in Mumbai: Fears five more terrorists are on the loose after their toothbrushes are found in attack boat
By David WilliamsLast updated at 12:30 PM on 01st December 2008
* Zardari: Militants may drag India and Pakistan into war
* Third Indian minister offers resignation
* Intelligence warning of attacks was ‘lost in system’
* Condoleezza Rice to fly to India on Wednesday
* Defiant Cafe Leopold reopens after horrific attacksFive more terrorists may be on the loose in Mumbai and could be planning a second wave of attacks, it is feared.
Police sources were quoted today revealing the hijacked Indian fishing boat used by the gunmen to approach Mumbai had equipment for 15 men on board – suggesting that several gunmen could still be at large.
‘Fifteen jackets were found, 15 toothbrushes even,’ one police source was quoted as saying in The Times. ‘That more men were involved is possible.’
Haul: Weapons recovered from the terrorists involved in the Taj Mahal hotel siegeIn an effort to ease tension between the two states, The White House said that U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would travel to India on Wednesday.
Pakistan is already struggling to contain Islamic militants within its borders. Earlier today eight people were killed in a suicide bomb attack in the country, with both Al Qaeda and Taliban militants stepping up their attacks against Pakistani security forces.
Pakistan’s position as Afghanistan’s neighbour has made it a key flashpoint, with Osama bin Laden fleeing there in the wake of the 9/11 attacks and militants training in camps there before fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Mumbai residents returned to schools and offices today for the first time since the attacks.
The fears came as Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari appealed to India not to punish his country for last week’s attacks, saying militants could precipitate a regional war.
Mr Zardari, whose wife, Benazir Bhutto, was assassinated by Islamist militants last year, warned that provocation by rogue ‘non-state actors’ posed the danger of a return to war between the nuclear-armed neighbours.
‘Even if the militants are linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba, who do you think we are fighting?’ asked Mr Zardari in an interview with the Financial Times today.
In total, 172 people, including a British millionaire, died in last week’s attacks. Almost 400 were injured.
Analysts say last week’s Mumbai assaults by Islamist militants bore the hallmarks of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based group blamed for attacks in India including a 2001 parliament blast that almost plunged the two countries into a fourth war.
‘We live in troubled times where non-state actors have taken us to war before, whether it is the case of those who perpetrated [the] 9/11 [attacks on the United States] or contributed to the escalation of the situation in Iraq,’ said Mr Zardari.
‘Now, events in Mumbai tell us that there are ongoing efforts to carry out copycat attacks by militants. We must all stand together to fight out this menace.’
Indian officials have said the 10 attackers who held Mumbai hostage came from Pakistan, a Muslim nation carved out of Hindu-majority India in 1947.
Yesterday India said it had proof linking its nuclear rival Pakistan to the massacre – and warned it would raise security to a ‘war level’.
Flashpoint: Pakistan president Ali Zardari has warned militants could push nuclear neighbours Pakistan and India into war
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Permalink • Saturday - November 29, 2008
Afghanistan News
Gunbattles and airstrikes by NATO and Afghan troops killed 53 militants in Afghanistan, including a wanted Taliban commander who tried to hide from soldiers under a woman’s burqa, officials said Saturday.
The U.S. forces targeting the commander surrounded a house Friday in Ghazni province and ordered everyone inside to leave, a military statement said.
Six women and 12 children left the building, but while soldiers were questioning the women they discovered one was actually a man dressed in a burqa, the traditional all-encompassing dress that most Afghan women wear. The man, later identified as the targeted commander Haji Yakub, tried to attack the soldiers and was killed, the military said.
Yakub allegedly directed roadside bomb and suicide attacksagainst Afghanistan’s government and coalition forces in Ghazni, according to the statement. Three other militants were killed in the operation, it said.
Meanwhile, Afghan and coalition forces killed 33 militants when their patrol came under attack in southern Helmand province Friday, a military statement said. The troops responded to the attack with gunfire and air support,it said.
In Kandahar province, meanwhile, a three-day NATO-Afghan operation in Zhari district killed 12 militants, said police Chief Matiullah Khan. No police were killed in the operation, which finished on Friday, he said.
Police in western Farah province said they killed four insurgents setting up a makeshift base in a village, apparently aiming to launch strikes on Farah city.
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Permalink • LAUGHING AND SMILING TO EACH OTHER AS THEY SLAUGHTERED THE UNARMED.
The links below have the complete articles. I have posted parts here. Pretty bad and it’s very clear these ppl were well trained and very well organized.
SOME BMEWS COMMENTS:
There is only ONE way to “talk” or “hold dialog” with such barbarians.
The same way Kitchener held “dialog” with the Madhists at Abu Klea and Omdurman.
Turtler
talking to these people is like talking to a rabid dog. Pointless and dangerous. Better to give them the maxim gun!
LyndonB
....sadly it will take another half dozen of these, each one worse than the one before.
then the world might get serious. get out of the U.N. and buy more ammo!!
Rancino
This is one of those instances to which President Bush referred when he said, “If you’re not with us, you’re against us!” Any group, organization, nation, country or entity that is not joined with the attempt to stop and neutralize this sort of savagery is - at best - allowing it to continue. This is not the sort of conflict in which one can be ‘neutral’.
Archie
If they want to be martyrs, the world will eventually give them what they want. They think the world will give into their nasty terror attacks and cave in. Some will, but I think even places such as (formerly) Great Britain will get up on their hind legs and fight back violently.
Dr. Jeff
Troops played a game of cat and mouse through the hotel’s rooms, with the terrorists moving skilfully from place to place, often switching off lights and plunging rooms into darkness.
Fellow hostage Peter Worth told how some of the gunmen had smiled at one another while they sprayed hotel guests with bullets.
‘It was as if they were laughing and enjoying the fear as they tried to kill us,’ said the 32-year-old engineer, from Bristol.
Authorities have asked not to show live broadcasts of the battle because they believe the gunmen were monitoring the news. Most channels largely obliged.
At Nariman House, which houses a Jewish centre, a rabbi and his wife were among six civilians killed. Some of the victims had been bound.
Their deaths left their two-year-old son – who was smuggled out on Thursday – orphaned.
The terrorists carried floor plans of the hotels as well as machine guns, grenades, AK-47s and plastic explosives.
They each had supplies of dried fruit and water and some carried satellite telephones and mobiles.
The militants were split into two groups – one responsible for the attacks in north Mumbai; the other for those in the south at the Jewish centre and the hotels.
Many senior Indian officials including the foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee have blamed ‘Pakistani elements’ for the attacks, and one captured gunman had already been identified as Pakistani.
Distraught British woman tells how two of her family were executed by terrorists in Mumbai massacre.
forced to watch as they opened fire on his parents, killing them both.
The funeral of the engineer and his wife has already taken place.
Mrs Kapasi, 49, from Oadby, Leicester, said: ‘It is such a shock to the system. You never imagine it will happen to you.
‘They only came out of the flat to see if they could find another hiding place from the gunmen.
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Permalink • Friday - November 28, 2008
Britons killed or held hostage were legitimate targets says scummy mudslime preacher.
THIS LITTLE BIT HERE IS ACTUALLY ALMOST AT THE END OF MY PREVIOUS POSTING. I WANTED THIS TO STAND OUT AND SO HAVE POSTED IT HERE AS WELL.
SHOWS YA THE KIND OF MENTALITY WE ARE UP AGAINST. ISN’T IT TIME (OVERDUE) WHEN THE WEST STARTED REPAYING IN KIND?
FROM THE DAILY MAIL ARTICLE IN PREVIOUS POST.
A British-based Muslim preacher Anjem Choudhary backed the terrorists and said any Britons killed or held hostage were legitimate targets because they should not have gone to India.
Choudhary, right-hand man to preacher of hate Omar Bakri, said Britain and America is at war with the Muslim world and their citizens must keep off the battlefield.
‘Muslims are being killed in Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan every day through acts of atrocity against them. But the media only report events like Mumbai.’
I really do find it hard to believe that this pond scum preacher actually believes that rubbish. But heck. Lets just say it’s true. So? Killing those life forms should never be seen as actually killing real humans. We must get over thinking of them as people, as human beings, as anything of worth or worthy of existing.
Which is not to say that there aren’t any good ones. Of course there are. And they are all DEAD!
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Permalink • British-born Pakistanis among arrested militants.
Mumbai gunmen ‘were BRITISH’: Indian authorities say two of arrested militants are from UK
By Justin Davenport , Rashid Razaq and Nicola Boden
Last updated at 1:59 PM on 28th November 2008British-born Pakistanis were among the Mumbai terrorists, Indian government sources claimed today, as the death toll rose to more than 140.
Two Britons were among eight gunmen captured by commandos after they stormed two hotels and a Jewish centre to free hostages, the city’s chief minister said.
Vilasrao Deshmukh also revealed that up to 25 terrorists were responsible for the series of bomb blasts and shootings that targeted tourists and foreign interests.
Sieges in the Indian city were still ongoing today in dramatic stand-offs at the three buildings. Some hostages emerged unharmed but inside were scenes of carnage.
Calm: One of the young gunmen with his weapon, looking for more victims. Indian authorities say two of the arrested militants were British-born PakistanisAt the luxury Oberoi Hotel, brought back under control this morning when commandos shot dead two militants, another 24 bodies were found.
Their discovery takes the total death toll to 143. Only one is confirmed as British so far but there are fears this may rise. At least another 300 people were wounded.
More…* ‘It was carnage… there was blood and guts everywhere’: Briton freed after almost 48hrs tells of horrific bloodshed
* Besieged ‘Curry King’ avoided gunmen because of last minute decision to dine in his room
* Distraught British woman tells how two of her family were executed by terrorists in Mumbai massacre
* ANALYSIS: The fanatics behind the Mumbai bombings would like to trigger nuclear war
* British tycoon shot dead was texting his son as he was killedHundreds of other traumatised guests were rescued from their rooms there and at the five-star Taj Mahal hotel but still the fighting did not cease.
At the Taj, commandos were still engaged in a prolonged shootout with militants. Four bystanders were reported wounded in the crossfire.
Indian forces launched grenades at the walls. Inside, at least one terrorist was believed to be holed up in a ballroom.
Commandos also stormed the Nariman House Jewish centre where some of the militants were believed to be hiding to find the dead bodies of at least five hostages.
Around 20 masked officers had dropped onto the building from helicopters on to the roof this morning covered by heavy fire in what was dubbed Operation Black Tornado.
After hours of heavy fighting, a massive explosion ripped through the building, blowing out windows in the surrounding houses. Gunfire and smaller explosions followed before Indian authorities appeared to have control.
Police throw a grenade into the Taj Mahal hotel as they desperately try to control a militant.
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Permalink • Thursday - November 27, 2008
Survivors tell of murder and terror in Mumba.
Survivors tell of murder and terror in Mumbai
‘Just don’t say you’re a Brit’: Survivors tell of murder and terror in Mumbai
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:14 PM on 27th November 2008Dozens of Britons were caught in the Mumbai carnage. These are some of their stories:
Businessman ALEX CHAMBERLAIN was held hostage in the Oberoi Hotel before dramatically escaping.
He said: ‘I was having dinner with a colleague and then the gunfire started . . . some people initially thought it was fireworks.
‘We were ushered into the kitchen area before a waiter was shot in the arm.
‘There were then about 30 or 40 of us and the group was told to walk up the stairs of the hotel by the gunmen.
‘They stopped us after two or three flights and told everyone to put their hands up and one of the gunmen said, “Where are you from? Are there any Americans or British here? Show us your ID or passports or business cards”.
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Permalink • massacre that has claimed 125 lives, hostages also taken.
I guess for some Americans who I hear have been taken (not fully confirmed) this is how many spent Thanksgiving today.
There are still many being held hostage according to the radio.
I first heard about it late last night on radio, but didn’t realize till this morning just how bad it was.
The Daily Mail had thick pools of blood all over the front page. You could see where so many ppl had been shot up as there were separate pools everywhere.
Seeing the paper really made it hit home.
Hate to say it and especially on a conservative blog site guys but .... the west is most assuredly doomed and that includes at some point our own country,
until enough people wake up to the fact that this can not be a clean war with worries about the rights of terror prisoners held at Gitmo, or collateral damage caused by our guys fighting in foreign lands. There are people who really do need exterminating and age and sex should not matter. If you folks have seen the pictures I have, and by now you must have surely, you might understand this line I am taking. Of course, I’ve held it long before this.
And I will bore you and say again and again and again.
In order to make any kind of headway at all, we MUST FIRST deal with the enemy in our own back yard. And you all know who the traitors are.
If those folks live America ... we all lose no matter what our troops do overseas.
Mumbai attacks: Troops rescue 39 from massacre hotel
Indian commandos have rescued 39 people from the Trident Oberoi Hotel, but Britons are among hundreds of people still trapped in hotels at the centre of the Mumbai massacre that has claimed 125 lives.
By Gordon Rayner and Damien McElroy in Mumbai
Last Updated: 10:44PM GMT 27 Nov 2008
Police said the operation freed dozens of people, including international tourists, who had been hiding in their rooms since the co-ordinated attacks began.
“Around 39 people have been brought out, some of them are foreigners,” an aide to Mumbai police commissioner A N Roy said.
“Our forces are engaged in mopping up operations and looking for other people who might be still in there. We are checking room by room.
“We cannot yet say whether the hotel is… 100 per cent clear of terrorists.”
Officials said the Taj Mahal hotel had been almost entirely cleared by commandos, with just one injured militant holed up in that building.
More than 24 hours after Islamic extremists launched a series of devastating gun and grenade attacks on Western targets – with a British tycoon among those killed – soldiers were still battling to free more than 200 people either held hostage or hiding in their rooms.
They included Mark Abell, a British lawyer who remained “holed up” in his room and spoke of his fears that the terrorists might “come and get me” if they discovered his exact location.
The authorities blamed militants from Pakistan-ruled Kashmir for the bloodbath, which left 125 dead and at least 327 injured after simultaneous attacks on at least seven targets in Mumbai (formerly Bombay).
Indian officials said the terrorists had “pretended” to be Indians, but that one who was captured appeared to be from Pakistan.
Officials said the death toll was likely to rise once burnt-out rooms in the hotels could be checked for bodies.
Mumbai’s central railway station, a hospital, police station, cinema and a Jewish centre were among other targets hit by the terrorists, who sailed by boat to the peninsula before fanning out in several dinghies and landing on the shore close to their predetermined targets.
The killers specifically targeted British and American visitors when they attacked the Oberoi and Taj Mahal luxury hotels, ordering receptionists to give them a list of the names and room numbers of all British and US guests and demanding that hostages declared their nationalities.
At least five Britons are being treated in hospital after being injured in the shootings, and many more are feared to be among those still inside the hotels.
As Indian commandos fought their way through the corridors of the Taj Mahal and the Oberoi – both of which had earlier been set on fire by the terrorists – Mr Abell, from London, said he had barricaded his door and was “hunkering down for the long term”.
He said: “I’m holed up in my room, with furniture blockading the door. The British consul knows I’m here, and I’ve been told to sit tight and wait. Whether that will be for an hour, a day, a week, nobody knows.”
The British man killed in the attacks was named as Andreas Liveras, 73, who was gunned down moments after he phoned the BBC from inside the Taj Mahal hotel to give an eyewitness account of the terrorist attacks.
Before he was hit, Mr Liveras, who built a £315 million fortune from his eponymous luxury yacht charter business, described how he had just sat down for dinner at the Taj Mahal when the shooting began.
“We heard the machine gunfire outside in the corridor,” he said. “We hid ourselves under the table and then they switched all the lights off. But the machine guns kept going, and they took us into the kitchen, and from there into a basement, before we came up into a salon.
“There must be more than a thousand people here. Nobody comes in this room and nobody goes out, and we really don’t know. Everybody is just living on their nerves.”
The Indian home ministry estimated 20 to 30 people were being held hostage at the Oberoi, while its owners estimated 200 people were inside.
Two retired teachers from Hexham in Northumberland were among those shot in the first of the attacks, in the Café Leopold, at 9.30pm local time (4pm GMT) on Wednesday.
Michael Murphy, 59, was shot in the ribs and is in intensive care after having his spleen removed. His wife Diane, 58, who was shot in the foot, said: “It was mayhem. There were so many casualties. It was carnage. There were obviously people injured and others who were dead.”
Mrs Murphy said there were at least 100 people in the café when the shooting began.
“All of a sudden there was automatic gunfire,” she said. “The whole place fell apart. It was tremendously loud. My husband and I were hit, as were lots of people. Everybody was down on the ground.”
Alan Jones, from South Wales, was staying at the Oberoi Hotel on business when it was attacked. He said: “We took the lift to the lobby and heard bangs as the door opened. Two Japanese men riding with us got out, but immediately signalled for us to go back in the lift.
“As they got back in, a bullet hit one of the Japanese men in the back of the leg. Flesh and blood splattered everywhere.
“I looked up to see one of the gunmen was approaching. I tried to close the door, but the injured guy’s leg was preventing it from closing.
“I frantically pressed the ‘close door’ button, but had to move the shot man’s foot for the door to close.”
Mr Jones escaped after being guided by staff to a basement via another lift.
Hugh Brown, who was staying at the Taj Mahal, took refuge in a library area with a large group of people, one of whom later turned out to be a terrorist.
He told Sky News: “We were let out at one point at about 2.30am. There was a gunman who had been in among us in the room for the best part of the evening. He pretended to be one of us in the room.
“When he got out with us, he started shooting some of the people as they were leaving the room.”
One of the terrorists was quoted on Indian TV saying the purpose of the hostage-taking was to secure the release of all “mujahideen” held in Indian prisons.
The Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, said the attacks were “well planned and well-orchestrated… intended to create a sense of panic by choosing high profile targets and indiscriminately killing foreigners”.
David Miliband, the British Foreign Secretary, said yesterday that the attacks bore some hallmarks of al-Qaeda but it was too early to say if the network was behind the deadly assaults.
“It is very premature to start talking about links to Al-Qaeda,” he said. “Some of the names of groups that are being circulated at the moment are not al-Qaeda affiliates, but that cannot be taken as a definitive view.”
too early to say if the network was behind the deadly assaults.
Well actually, we’re getting different reports on that.
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USA DROPS ONE ON SCUMMY TERROR BOMBER, MPs calling for an investigation?
Another one bites the dust
Why on earth is anyone wasting their breath calling for an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the killing of a ‘British’ terror suspect in Pakistan?
Rashid Rauf was wanted for masterminding the liquid bomb plot, which brought chaos to our airports in 2006.
He died on Saturday when American missiles targeted an Al Qaeda camp in Pakistan’s tribal badlands, where he had fled to escape justice.
I’m surprised the usual bunch of useful idiots haven’t tried to claim he was at a wedding or taking part in a computer course.
But some MPs are calling this an ‘execution’ and demanding to know if British intelligence services were involved in pinpointing his whereabouts.
I certainly hope they were. That’s their job. In case those MPs haven’t noticed, there’s a war on - and Rauf was actively involved in plotting to kill as many innocent civilians as possible.
If he wanted to exercise his yuman rites, he was at liberty to return to Britain and argue his case in court. Those American missiles did us all a favour.
By Richard Littlejohn
The Mail
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Permalink • Thursday - November 20, 2008
We were too late
White House moves Victory In Iraq date up from the 10/22 the blogosphere called, goes with 10/19 instead:
Does that make it more official? Or will you only concede victory when the MSM admits to it? Or are you waiting for Obama to lead the ticker tape parade?
Nothing is ever 100%; every war we’ve been in for the last 65 years or so has dribbled on a bit longer here and there, even after absolute surrenders or cease fires were signed. So if you want to hold out some more, be my guest. I’m calling this one DONE and WON. Now let’s get as many of our troops the hell out of there as soon as possible.
Looks like a timetable is close to being hammered out too, although it could also move up. Sooner or later you have to stop moving the goalposts and make the call. Anything that happens after that is an after-action incident or whatever mil-speak is for “after the game was over”.
Meanwhile, the Pentagon is under major cyber attack. The GWoT book isn’t finished yet, but this chapter has nothing left but a couple of footnotes. The focus will now shift back to Afghanistan, with perhaps a side trip to Somalia. Later chapters? Who can tell, but my bet is that one will be looking far to the East, and another will be looking a little bit to the West. Directly to the East? I don’t think so. I think that one will be The War That Wasn’t. My only real worry is that this whole book might just get banned by the next guy who wields the Big Pen, or that it will be turned back into some kind of crime drama farce story like the previous author wrote.
h/t to Sara at Pal2Pal.
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