The Next To Die
Oh, and I’m just guessing the 60 years bit; I’m assuming her parents were born around 1963, with the further assumption her grandparents went to England at least a few years before that, may 10-15. Which makes it pretty odd to hear that the family is from Bangladesh, since that country didn’t exist before 1971. Hell, “West” Pakistan was barely there in 1955; I don’t think “East” Pakistan, over on the east side of India next to Burma, which was the main Bengal area that eventually became Bangladesh, was much more than an idea when grammy and gramps went to London.
Either way, the family has been living in the West for generations now. In a proper melting-pot nation, like what America used to be, this young woman would be named Linda and not even know what country the old folks came from, much less have any ability to speak that language. She’d go to family gatherings where everyone ate strange food, and she’d know maybe 2 dozen words in the old tongue.
Ay first I thought Peiper had snuck in here and used you nom de plume Drew.
I read that too but as you note ,lots of folks come to America and maintain stupid traditions.Hell the mormons even maintain illegal traditions they started here for gosh sake.Would be nice I guess to have a different babe for the sack every night ,though the upkeep would kinda suck.Watch it Rich. Mormons don’t maintain any such traditions, and even when they did it was never about a “different babe every night”. Saying such things makes you sound foolish and uninformed. Polygamy was abolished by the Church in 1896 and has not been practiced or endorsed by it since. There are fringe groups that refused to discontinue the practice who still exist today, but they have nothing whatsoever to do with Mormons a.k.a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If you’re going to draw parallels at least get the basis for comparison correct; otherwise your point is a toothless tiger.
Cory
Posted by Risk
07/04/2010 at 01:52 AM
I an niether foolish or uninformed risk. First off, Most of what I say is intended to be tonque in cheek. And I really doubt even a LDS would fine my comment provacative. Specifically, I intended to have that sentance written as ‘Maintained’ to denote the past tense of such a policy,( Darn Grammer got me in doo doo again).
And just so you know,Grandpa was a card carrying member of the LSD,er, LDS Church and was buried by them as he died a pauper in one of their sanitariums.
But thanks for the warning about saying dumb things on the internet.
SHHH,did you hear that, I think I heard a Morman hitman in my yard.
Nope,Just the wind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I understood Rich K’s comments to be firmly tongue in cheek, and I believe most others here did too. Relax, Risk.
And Rich - It could have been a Space Twat in your yard. They are especially active in the wee hours. LDS hitmen prefer sunrise and sunset when the low sun gets in your eyes.
Harry Potter Fans should also Wake The Frak Up!
I’d like to point out that the Mormons ‘maintained’ such ‘traditions’ (note: It was a command from God, not a ‘tradition’ See D&C 49:15-17) while part of Mexico and therefore outside US laws. Polygamy was not illegal, even in the US, though not socially acceptable. The subject had never come up before. Mormons did drop polygamy when they lost Reynolds vs. United States in 1879.
No, I’m not counting apostate fringe groups such as we recently saw in Texas.
I’ll be interested in how the US gov’t plans to support Reynolds vs. United States while championing homosexual ‘marriage’.
You can hardly compare polygamy with ‘honor’ killings. Mormons celebrate life. Mormons encourage families. Mormons do NOT kill family members for alleged insults to family ‘honor’. Mormons did not practice polygamy just to have more family to kill for ‘honor’. They did it to raise righteous children for the Lord.
The worst thing the Mormon Church can do is disfellowship and/or excommunicate. Both such penalties can be overcome and forgiven with proper repentance on the part of the sinner.
Hard to imagine forgiving and reinstating victims of Muslim ‘honor’ killings. Difficult to do that post-mortem.
McGoo–no such thing as LDS hitmen.
Well I am LDS and I found your comment provacative. If it was meant to be simply tongue in cheek then I missed the joke and I apologize. But it read more belligerent than sarcastic. Still, in the mixed context of an online forum perhaps care can be given to err on the side of caution regarding false and inflammatory statements. I will gladly relax but ask that you be more careful.
Christopher - thanks for providing some factual information regarding the matter at hand.
Posted by Risk
07/04/2010 at 10:12 AM
Freedom of speech is more important than any damn religion(s)!
Says you. The expression of both are enshrined in our first amendment, suggesting that they share equal importance in the palladium of rights. I would argue that this is the case. Besides, the statement is simply a request, not a demand. It can be ignored and I have no recourse beyond my own speech.
Posted by Risk
07/04/2010 at 10:41 AM
You’re quite welcome. Emphasis is on ‘some’ information. The whole subject is fascinating. I left out a lot of historical context. For further info, may I recommend Richard Bushman’s Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling.Christopher - thanks for providing some factual information regarding the matter at hand.
Risk, please give OCM some leeway. He’s a good man, if somewhat misguided at times. Hugh Nibley said “gadflys are necessary.” OCM is a necessary gadfly. He requires us to examine our beliefs and defend them instead of clinging to them dogmatically.
And OCM is correct:
Freedom of speech is more important than any damn religion(s)!
Without freedom of speech, how far do you think the Prophet Joseph would have gotten? Look at all the opposition and attacks he weathered with freedom of speech!
I am curious about OCM’s last. While it is obvious that the children of Adam and Eve had to commit incest by marrying each other, I was unaware that
Abel screwed Eve
I am unaware that sons screwed mothers so early in our history. Well before Oedipus! Do you have a source OCM?
One other thing Rich:
Still, in the mixed context of an online forum perhaps care can be given to err on the side of caution regarding false and inflammatory statements. I will gladly relax but ask that you be more careful.
No. See previous comments on the First Amendment. False/inflammatory comments are your problem. We, the reader, decide if they are false. We, the reader choose to consider them ‘inflammatory’. The term ‘inflammatory’ is subjective. Just because someone is trying to ‘inflame’ you doesn’t mean you have to acquiesce.
Develop a thicker skin, and always remember to be tolerant of @ssholes.
I do mean ‘tolerant’ in the original sense. Not the lefty version that says tolerance means celebrating deviancy. The old-fashioned tolerance means simply that I won’t kill you for being a deviant. I’ll allow you to live.
Whether I’d cross the street to assist you if you were bleeding to death? Iffy.
OCM,
Cain and Abel had been adults for some time before the infamous first murder. Both had undoubtedly married a sister or two (see? polygamy could be that old) before Cain slew Abel. Therefore, Abel’s death meant the first widow(s).
What’s that you say? That’s not in the Bible? Well, I’ve read the Bible several times over the last five decades, and no-one in the Bible ever takes a shit. Am I to assume that such natural functions aren’t ‘biblical’? Just because it’s not in the Bible doesn’t mean that shit didn’t happen.
My theology says that Cain and Abel were not the only children Adam and Eve had. Face it, they lived almost a thousand years. I’m sure there were daughters for Cain and Abel to marry. After all, after Abel’s murder, Eve conceived Seth. Who doubtless married a sister also.
We find incest repugnant now. (? do we?) But that’s a cultural thing. The concern is mostly genetic. Back in the days of Adam and Eve, the genes could be considered perfect. Not going to give birth to a three-headed fish back then. The genetic corruption came later.
Given: end of the world. I’m the last man, my sisters are the last women. Could I ‘mate’ with them to propagate the species? (Sigh) Yes, I’d ‘do my duty’. My sisters, after all, are quite attractive. (How I got into the family is the question.)
I hate clichés, ‘it’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it’.
But, as OCM suggested, doing Mom? Not going to happen. The species dies.
I believe that religion=confusion. Interesting though. Wouldn’t you agree? Please note that I’m citing LDS thought/theology. Not citing any specific knowledge. Just theory, like the theory of evolution. Lots of circumstantial evidence. No actual proof.
I saved your link for future digestion. I do have to go fire up the grill.
Well, Im glad I could get the conversation started with a simple mistated comment.Shouldnt you folks be out barbequing hamburgers or something instead of rehashing the dawn of creation on our nations birthday.USA USA USA
Yeah, what he said. Talk about thread jacking.
Oh be serious. There’s more than one way to ‘grill’. We was just having fun ‘grillin’’.
Its going to be a week before I can look at a piece of chicken or a dish of potato salad,,,,BUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP!
Now I haved a whole evening to figure out how to annoy or offend some other high standing denizen of the intertubes.I’m LDS too. Sort of. I’m what we call a Jack Mormon. But my paternal grandmother was the daughter of a polygamist, and in all the history I’ve read they never did “honor killings” just because someone chose a different path. The old spilling blood on the ground stuff was for crimes like murder, not apostasy or having your face exposed. There really is no comparison between Mormonism and Muhammadism. We’ve never used the convert or die thing.
My sister smoked and married a gentile, I was not required to kill her. Or even dislike her.Been out of the loop for a few - all 4 children and respective families here for the holiday - made especially sweet for the fact that the oldest one is supposed to be in Afghanistan. Chaos erupted, some yelling, cats hiding and terrified for the duration and slammed doors (youngest is very hormonal) but all in all - we have survived.
I would love to comment on the Mormon thing but I am so far out of being RLDS - that I’d best not comment at all (hate intentionally embarrassing myself) . Except to say that comparing Mormon and Muslim is about as good as comparing Scott Peterson to Charles Manson - same crime - but a whole different situation that aren’t even close to each other in reality.
My youngest & I saw our first in the flesh burka a couple of weeks ago. While I might, just might look askance to the wearing of such ‘cover’ - I would find it more palatable if Mohammad Q Muslim wasn’t sporting his nikes and polo shirt. It is the hypocrisy of making women less than, controlled and meanwhile Mohammad Q Muslim does the dirty with whomever, sports whatever he wants to wear and drinks alcohol on the sly and so on and so on and so on.
Lies and utter hypocrisy are not the hallmark of God & faith - they are the hallmark of man turning religion & the ‘church/temple/mosque’ into whatever they want God/religion to be. And that is sin - no matter what God you worship or claim to worship (or for OCM, deny).
The Mormon Thing? What’s Harry Reid got to do with it?
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