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Posted by The Skipper    United States   on 10/21/2005 at 12:44 PM   
 
  1. OCM: It is not only possible, it is being done. I have validated it with three systems engineers I know who took the trouble to test it with ultrqaviolet light sources. Yes, there is a unique identifier on documents from all laser printers they tested. They tested printers from Lexmark, Xerox and HP. All were guilty.

    Your government at work.

    wtf

    Posted by The Skipper    United States   10/21/2005  at  03:34 PM  

  2. I think there is a link on the EFF site somewhere that will show you how to decode the signature.

    Basically its a grid of dots which encode the datetime and serial number of the printer that produced the document( along with some checksum bits ).  If you have a certain type of light ( blue-LED I think ) then you can easily see the signature.

    Im sticking with my 9-pin Okidata for now…

    Posted by Fine Old Cannibal    United States   10/21/2005  at  03:42 PM  

  3. Yes, it has been found only on laser printers and copiers ... so far.

    Follow the link below for full technical info and EFF’s test results as well as test pages you can print out to send to them for investigation:

    http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/wp.php

    Posted by The Skipper    United States   10/21/2005  at  03:50 PM  

  4. Catching counterfiters? The “Fereral Reserve” is the biggest counterfitting operation the world has ever seen with their worthless fiat money. Their entire operation is completely illegal and unconstitutional. They are not “Federal” but a bunch of theiving bankers that have highjacked our country. Google search “Federal Reserve Fraud” for all the details. Only GOLD, SILVER and COPPER are lawful money.

    Posted by Paul "No Fear" Weir    United States   10/21/2005  at  08:07 PM  

  5. Good thinking Weir, but I would mildly disagree.  Government has been involved in the process so long that no one knows what the hell money is.  Probably the international market in currency is the closest we’ll get for now.  Anything is worth what people willingly pay for it—same for money.  I have a lingering suspicion that I’m full of shit when I try to conceptualize money. Truth: I don’t have a clue what is the most rational solution.

    P.S. The most fervent admirers of gold are people who’ve been displaced from their homes --refugees. You can scram with a lot of value if you got a pocketfull of Krugerrands.

    Posted by Oink    United States   10/21/2005  at  10:49 PM  

  6. Exactly Oink, many people have forgotten what real money is. Real money had intrinsic value and thoughout histroy gold and silver have always been the best choice. Part of the plan of the absolute evil central bankers was the plan would take decades to execute so people would only see small parts of it every 10 years or so and forget over time and then finally die and take their knowledge that we used to have real money to the grave. Inflation is caused directly by the Federal Reseve continuing to print more and more cash that further dilutes the value of the dollar every day. Do you know that EVERY dollar in circulation and in somebodys checking acount is owed to same bank? This is the great evil they have done, they are collecting interst on all the money we have 24/7 365.
    If all the loans were paid back there would not be one cent in circulation. This is NOT the way its supposed to be in the USA. They also only have about 3% cash assets in their banks. The rest of the money they loan out is just made up on a computer. You can find out all the details of how this was done by reading “The Creature from Jekyll” Island by Edward Griffin. The incredible story of what money really is and how it was stolen from us by the bankers.

    Posted by Paul "No Fear" Weir    United States   10/22/2005  at  12:21 AM  

  7. EFF’s tests were only with color laser printers and copiers.

    yeah, in theory its an anto-counterfieting measure.

    Use an inkjet, or print in black and white.

    Posted by Draven    United States   10/22/2005  at  12:21 AM  

  8. Weir: Hmmmm? I remember a Prof. of Economics speculating that money is always something that is very light and transportable.  Maybe a bit/byte qualifies?  Dunno? Objective value? Value to whom & for what purpose? Marginal value ... ceteris parabus.. (OINK’s mind falters) Screw it! Get the guvmint out of it and let the market decide—the sum of millions of individual decisions.

    Posted by Oink    United States   10/22/2005  at  01:38 AM  

  9. The deal didn’t pass the sniff test when I first heard it, and the more I consider the less I like it.  With reasonable cause the cops can see if your handwriting is on a letter or your fingerprints (or DNA) are on the stamp. No problemo - these are natural identifiers like your face - not assigned to you by the government. It really disturbs me that manufacturers would play along.  Similar, but not as bad, as U.S. tech companies cooperating with dictatorship’s attempts to control their citizens thru technology.

    Posted by Oink    United States   10/22/2005  at  09:13 AM  

  10. Geeze, OCM. That looks like a triple pun. Let’s see: Older sibling, Brother printer, Orwell charachter/antagonist. Yep, a three bagger.

    Congratulations. clap clap clap

    Posted by StinKerr    United States   10/22/2005  at  09:18 AM  

  11. I believe that the FBI forensics folks have a database on all the typefaces of all typewriters and probably dot matrix printers. I have no problem with that. I kinda do have a problem with printers tagging their output.

    Posted by StinKerr    United States   10/22/2005  at  09:35 AM  

  12. "One could argue that the printer companies were just doing what they needed to do in order to make sure they could sell their wares. But that’s the same sort of argument that Yahoo and others make when explaining their complicity with a rights-abusing Chinese communist dictatorship”.

    Or the same sort of “excuse” mouthed by thousands of former Nazis, “I vas only followink orders...”

    Since most of these printers are being manufactured in a “certain nation” which just happens to be run by a Rights-Abusing Chinese Communist Dictatorship, this should come as no surprise…

    In God we trust, all else, we monitor…

    LC RP flag

    Posted by Rat Patrol    United States   10/24/2005  at  07:28 AM  

  13. Take advantage of that free look at your credit report that the big three credit agencies are now providing, OCM. You might be surprised at all of what’s in there.

    I once signed up for some promotional offer with a cigarette company. As part of their authentication I had to identify some of my previous addresses among a bunch of fake addresses. I was surprised to note that their records went back to the 1970’s.

    If anybody was really interested in what you said, in a law enforcement sorta way, you’d be under the lamp as we speak type.

    I have an acquaintance who is bi-polar and sometimes his meds become ineffective (or he quits taking them) and he goes off the deep end. During one of these episodes he was ranting about “killing Clinton”. (unknown to others, the Clinton he was talking about was a drug dealer who had cheated him.) The Secret Service was at the hospital grilling the brother of our crazy guy within two hours. Donnie was not lucid enough to be questioned. His brother spent more than an hour explaining that Donnie was not going to kill the (then) President but was pissed off over a drug deal.

    So, you’re safe, OCM. We just tell ‘em that you’re crazy when they come around to ask. wink

    Posted by StinKerr    United States   10/24/2005  at  10:05 AM  

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