Why Now?
on 10/15/2007 at 09:13 AM
I get it too, Mr. Christian.
Just like the posturing and stalling with the budget last year, the Democrats figure if they can get more American troops killed, voters will see that as President Bush’s fault and vote for more Democrats.
And then these - strong language omitted - ‘people’ keep shouting, “How dare you question our patriotism?” It’s real easy Pelosi, you’re a barking traitor! The Democrats are intentionally attempting to undercut American foreign policy and the military position of the United States - both to hopefully gather more strength here at home and also to see the U. S. lose whenever possible.
Just like the Democrats crippled U. S. efforts in Vietnam and tried to cripple President Reagan’s foreign policy in Nicaragua in the early ‘80s.
Has anyone else noticed the Democrats are always - always - on the other side? In Vietnam the Democrats supported the Communists, in Nicaragua, the Democrats sided with the Communists, and now the Democrats are siding with the Islamofaccists.
Question their patriotism? What’s to question? None of them have enough patriotism to make questioning worth while.
For the love of GOD! Somebody remove these imbeciles from the reins! Can’t someone from somewhere else take care of it if we can’t? Plausible deniability, you know.
definitely. I am no rocket scientist but this doesn’t seem like rocket science either.
As far as I’m concerned, the Armenian slaughter was genocide. What it also was, was jihad. The Armenians were Christians, and the Ottomans (Turks and Kurds) who slaughtered them and forced them to convert to Islam were muslims.
It does not surprise me AT ALL that modern, strongly islamic Turkey is so offended with the west “finally” calling a spade a spade. No, they probably see it as righteous behavior that furthered the cause of their “religion”.
It takes about 10 seconds to Google up enough hits to get a clear picture of what went on back then, even if you didn’t know that the Ottoman Empire allied with Germany in WWI, or if you were lucky enough not to have grown up with the expresson “starving Armenian” being used for anyone too thin as I did.
Read the stories printed in 1915. It is straight jihad, right out of old Mo’s playbook.
That being said, is it so obvious that this resolution in the House is designed to cause dissension that even the KOSsacks are against it:
The House resolution on the Armenian Genocide is a terrible idea which will do nothing to protect the small remaining Armenian community in Turkey, will further degrade Turkey’s terrible relations with Armenia and will harm the United States relationship with Turkey.
Of course, they can’t/won’t see it as the seditious and interfering BS move by Pelosi that it is, oh no. They only see it as her representing the Armenian diaspora community in their generations old quest for some justice. But even viewed that way they can tell this is a bad move.
Should the Turks and Kurds be condemned for genocide? Yes. But. The people who did the killing are long dead. And they weren’t exactly Turks and Kurds back in those days anyway. Genocidal condemnation should be laid squarely at the feet of Islam, and an awareness should spread out that what we called terrorism and genocide today has been going on a long long long time. So when this excremential legislative behavior hits the public oscillator, Nancy P’s only excuse will be that she was raising awareness of islamofascist behavior. Nice try Nance. Maybe you can get an apology out of your pal Assad next time you’re over there visiting.
<font size="+2" color="RED">"Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?</font>
<font size="+1" color="RED"> [Who speaks today about the destruction of the Armenians?]"</font>
Adolf Hitler, 1939Yes, I know that the context of the Hitler quote is ass backwards: he said it then, barely 25 years after the slaughter, to support his Final Solution thesis; history would soon forget, just as it forgot that other genocide. However, turned inside out, it’s the closest thing I could quickly steal from KOS that seemed like a “remember the Alamo” quote. So while I have no idea at all whether any actual Armenians rally to this quote, it has some nuanced truthiness to it, so therefore they ought to, and also use the quotee as further evidence of their victimhood. Isn’t that how the world works today?
Kind of like how today some word means the exact opposite thing when you say it ending with -"er" and somebody else says it ending with an -"ah", even though their general way of speaking pronounces most words that end in -"er" as -"ah". They’ve claimed it for themselves and you can’t. Kind of an Alice in Wonderland Humpty-Dumpty “When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less” approach, but that passes for reason these days.
Whew, wearing tinfoil hats, even for a minute, is hard work!
Holy smokes, I’ve done the unthinkable. And what I’ve seen has shaken my beliefs!
After linking to that KOS post, I went back and read the comment discussion. Here are some unattributed quotes, in order, that reflect how they are seeing things:
Oh, definitely learn about it (and google the Ukraine genocide too), with all our congress has to actually accomplish, I just wish they’d DO something, other than vote on non-binding resolutions and what Bad Countries did decades ago--scratch that, Particular Bad Countries--too time-consuming to condemn them all, and what I really wish congress would do is take action against the shameful facets of our OWN actions. When we get responsible at home, then fine, condemn everyone we want to.
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...this whole business has made me wonder something. What good is being a superpower if you don’t have the strength to every now and then say to an ally “Actually, you’re wrong”? What good is being a superpower if you acquiesce to everything they do?
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Of apologizing for slavery and lynching a century after the fact? It’s about closure.
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We’re not apologizing and how would we feel if Turkey passed a resolution telling us to apologize to the Japanese for Hiroshima - it’s none of their business.
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to tell Turkey to chill out if they start bombing Iraqi Kurdish villages. We do need to tell them “actually, you’re wrong”. However, I’d rather use that card when living people are at stake, rather than the dead.
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Let’s give it two years max. Let’s see if a negotiated settlement can be reached between Iraqi Kurdistan and Turkey, and then let’s pass the resolution. Right now, the anger in Turkey toward the US is intense and their overreaction in Iraq could get dangerous.
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Naturally I worry about our troops having to fight unrest in Kurdistan, and I worry about the ramifications at this tense moment in the Middle East, but that said the Armenian diaspora has every right to force this issue. It should be a pre-condition of EU accession talks as well. Turkey not only refuses to come clean that these horrible events transpired, but it makes it a crime to even acknowledge they may have existed.
What happened to KOS? No foaming at the mouth, no hurling of monkey poo, no craziness at all!! These comments make sense, they show reason, they show compassion, concern for our troops, and look for some backbone in government. Holy cow. If this is the new KOS, I’m signing up. I can actually ... respect ... these people.
I think that Turkey should just accept the house condemnation and in a return envelope they should include a condemnation of the United States for the genocide against the Native Americans. Tit for tat.
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