The War Against Obamunism
on 12/05/2010 at 10:28 AM
New to me. I saw that flik as a kid many times and never saw that chunk.To think ,the networks were PC back then, go figure.
I must apologize. I cut something like 5 minutes of the Overture. I still left almost 2 minutes of it.
Obviously I’ve a version for the movie theater, not for TV.
Now that Ive seen it I can see why it was cut.Too preachy and adds nothing to the story.It could have been done the same way it was in ‘star wars’ with a scrolling written dialog overlay.He just sounds like a sunday preacher, to me anyway.
Yikes!
We’re talking the director/producer of the movie. Preachy? I don’t know how old you are Rich K, but I’m guessing you’re a relatively young man. This was four years old when I was born! and I don’t find it ‘preachy’. I find it a concise declaration of Western civilization.
What amazes me is how quickly civilization can die. We have civil war in Mexico between the government and drug lords. We are fast approaching civil war in the USA with Federal government ignoring Constitutional limits.
Don’t know about you, I prefer ‘preachy’ to civil war. And it did add to the story. Moses was the John Brown of his day. The difference is that God chose Moses. Are we free men under God? Or are we mice under Democrats?
Face it, Democrats have been fighting for slavery since 1860. They just expanded their targets. All of us should be slaves to the Federal government.
Let’s all show respect for the Greatest of the Schlock Religious Movies.
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Moses was the John Brown of his day.
Christopher ... with all due respect to you. That isn’t true at all. Not even a little bit.
You’re allowing your honest and grounded religious beliefs to get in the way of history.
John Brown was a self serving, degenerate, delusional and murderous old fool. He well deserved what he eventually got. Pity it didn’t happen before he he chanced upon an innocent family and had his ppl butcher one of them. And he enjoyed his work.
The anti-slavery issue meant no more to that loser but an issue (or bandwagon) he could join and be part of something popular at the time. He had delusions of grandeur in the extreme. Moses ppl out of bondage. Brown would have led ppl into another sort, had he his way.Well, both of them were radicals in their day. And both had wild hair. And wanted freedom for some from the state. Approaches were entirely different though ... but I’m sure we can find somebody who will equate those plagues on Egypt with terrorism, especially the last one. [ oh, now there’s a debate: is it still terrorism if God does it? Selective mass murder just to prove a point? ] So I think Christopher has a point, but you have to take a broader, more modern and generalist view to see it.
Not familiar with JB enough to know where (or what) he would have done with either his own people or with freed slaves had he succeeded.
I think in modern terms JB would be accused of anti social pretentiousness, entrenched personality disorder. That last one would fit a recent departure from bmews please note.
Drew, JB wasn’t a radical. He was a mentally diseased criminal. He had no redeeming value.
None.Moses of course another story. Found in a basket? That’s the story but who knows the truth of that? But history written by (?) says that he led the Jewish people out of Egypt. Not so radical as if I recall correctly, he made some sort of agreement with Pharaoh before hand.
So far as we can tell, there hasn’t been anything written with regard to Moses butchering anyone or calling for wholesale killings. Although who knows. He might have given the times. But I would not call Moses the John Brown of his day.No wholesale killings? What then was the 10th plague upon Egypt?
And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. And he called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve the Lord, as ye have said.
No, Moses himself wasn’t running around with a sword offing children and livestock. But he had warned about it, and had acted as a liaison and conduit for an ever increasing series of ecological disasters before that. And the whole thing was a set up from the get go, with God keeping Pharaoh from caving in
... from the beginning:
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land. And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments. And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I stretch forth mine hand upon Egypt, and bring out the children of Israel from among them.
... until the end:
And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt: And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts. And there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there was none like it, nor shall be like it any more. But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel. 8 And all these thy servants shall come down unto me, and bow down themselves unto me, saying, Get thee out, and all the people that follow thee: and after that I will go out. And he went out from Pharaoh in a great anger. And the LORD said unto Moses, Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you; that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt. And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land.”
A more benevolent deity would have allowed Moses to cut a deal with Pharaoh, perhaps after a minor plague or three. “Look you, our G_d can’t get along with your gods. We’ve labored for you for generations, but it’s time for us to go.” And Pharaoh, having been shown the signs and the awesome power thereof, could have sent the Israelites north towards Canaan as allies and trading partners, to indirectly protect his far borders by Kadesh and to put the screws to the king of Edom. But NO!!!
A funny thing though: the Egyptians were the most multi-theistic people that ever were. Faced with 10 plagues worth of overwhelming proof of the power of this deity, why didn’t they elevate the Hebrew G_d right up to the top of their pantheon? It’s not like they could reject him as being foreign, cuz here he was, laying it down right there in the Black Land, messing with their holy river. Even if they felt the need to incorporate this one into one of their own gods, a thing that they did all the time, the plagues of the Exodus would have instantly become part of their religious history. And pharaoh likely would have been taken to the chop shop as an act of attrition. Especially considering his military defeat later. And yet ... not a word. Not a hieroglyph, not a stella. And it isn’t like they never figured out the basic religious formula of Bad Crops + Illness = Angry Gods + Time To Repent.
12/06/2010 at 07:22 AM
