THE LAW ABIDING FORCED TO WATCH HELPLESS AS GREENBELT LAND TAKEN BY OUTSIDERS.
on 04/16/2009 at 10:32 AM
Not the Romani again.
All I can say is that the government had BETTER start gettings its act together to deal with these guys PROPERLY.
And the Romani had better wise up.
They’ve already got the Italians up in arms against them, and they don’t want to add the British to that list.
And I say this seriously.
Because unless both sides act properly, the citizenry may well resort to the worst.
And I’ve seen it.
And by God, I don’t like it.
And neither will they.
Posted by Turtler
04/17/2009 at 01:56 AM
I read about this sort of thing and can’t help but think, the ONLY answer is firepower. Kill a few hundred and the problem might go away once they and their sponsors understand they will be met with deadly force.
Pieper, I say this as a friend, and I’ll say this now:
DON’T say ANYTHING of that sort here again.
Reason Number One: However lightly you may intend that quote, that’s not how it’s going to be taken by those outside “the know.” And this isn’t a laughing matter, for while the Romani do have an overinflated sense of self, there is a DAMN good reason mentioning “The Porajmos” in their company will cause everything to get real quiet real fast.
Reason Number Two: While I concur that in some very extreme cases it would be justifiable to blast Romani off t he property, this would only come after all else had failed. Casually throwing this out is not like Drew proposing that we carpet-nuke the Horn of Africa or myself ranting about the coming of the Third World War. I’ve seen unpleasant things happen in situations like these, and believe you me when I say that jokes of this nature can turn a tense situation to an ugly one.
Reason Number Three: If for no other reason, think of yourself. The time may come when you might have to deal with the Romani personally- as in across the width of the courtroom- and you yourself have pointed out their Scientologist-like fervor for legal duels and their unScientologist-like competency in them.
Do you honestly think in such a case that they would not look at this blog? Do you think they would not skew such a statement to their legal advantage?
The sad fact is that you already are probably in enough hot water on this front from your other posts on this matter. However, unlike this one snippet, they can’t spin you into a fanatic based on the others, so I see less than no reason to stop posting on this subject. Just don’t overblow it.
If you must have a tip dealing with the Romani, you’ve got to nip the problem BEFORE it ever strikes: I don’t know exactly how bad the problem is over there, but if you cannot openly threaten them with death by shooting, at least install an alarm system and make sure to talk to the Bobbies and City Hall about your express wishes regarding any Romani intrusion.
I wouldn’t swear my life on it, but I figure that’s the best bet you have.
Snippits like the excerpt aren’t.
If it ever becomes necessary, you’re already in for a tough fight.
Remember: the Romani are culturally paranoid and culturally have a persecution complex regarding the outside world; the centuries have largely vindicated them on that.
Don’t vindicate them further.
If need be, threaten death to any individual squatter or tresspasser, Romani or not.
But don’t allow them to wave the bloody toga of their forebears who suffered during “The Porajmos,” before it, and after by talking about killing hundreds of them casually.
I saw how tripe like this went down in Italy a few years ago, and I see NO reason WHATSOEVER to repeat the mess still present there today.
Particularly with you in the crossfire.
HEED THIS WARNING, ‘CAUSE IT AIN’T PRETTY!
Posted by Turtler
04/17/2009 at 02:49 AM
Based on things that happen here, I stand by my belief that the only thing these people will take to heart is overwhelming firepower sparing neither women or children! Anything less will be taken as it is taken now. Which is, not too seriously at all.
BUT ... we both know that will NEVER HAPPEN.
First, the ppl here are too weak kneed. They really do not have the stomach to use any means to save their own country and countryside.
Once those folks move in on a place it can take months to years to move them.
They do what they do simply because they already know there are no consequences.Might surprise you to know as an aside, that the Irish Travelers have a head start on the English variety and have worked their game smarter. They also have ppl in place ahead of time, often legally buying property but lying about it’s intended use. (as all of them do).
Where they move into a place it soon turns into one large garbage dump and crime goes up as well. There is NO PLACE they have INVADED that I am aware of, where the locals are happy.
They care for nothing but their own immediate needs regardless of what harm they inflict.
That does not even enter their thinking.Perhaps if you lived here the last going on five years as of April 28, you might not agree but you might understand why I feel as I do.
Another thing to consider. My opinion as to a solution, while I feel valid and workable,
is exactly that. My opinion which I’ve every right to.
In fact, since I haven’t stolen my opinion while they steal land, I would say I have a greater right to my opinion then they do to property they occupy.Based on things that happen here, I stand by my belief that the only thing these people will take to heart is overwhelming firepower sparing neither women or children!
And for that, I would be forced to grudgingly nod as whoever knocks your head back in the court system. Do you HONESTLY think that if you got in a lawsuit with them tomorrow, these comments would not be dug up and turned on you to full force? And honestly, I would have to grudgingly agree that you deserved it(ie ‘getting shot with your own comments,’ not necessarily whatever you got slapped with in the lawsuit). Why? Because the sad fact is that however troublesome the Romani are (and before you lecture me on this, I know a great deal in that area), these aren’t Somali Pirates or Jihadists whom we can talk trash about all we want, in no small part because these people were at one point ACTUALLY targeted for all-too-real persecution and extermination, and this card is something they LOVE to play in court.
I find it strange that for a man who spends much of his time chronicling the Romani and their activities (far more than I, at least) as well as their penchant for legal suits would not take note of one of their favourite legal tricks and their history.
BUT ... we both know that will NEVER HAPPEN.
Oh, it could.
And I know enough about the subject to fear that.
First, the ppl here are too weak kneed. They really do not have the stomach to use any means to save their own country and countryside.
This is a valid point on that issue. However, like it or not, this fact does not excuse genocide- and let’s make no bones about it, THAT is what it is. The Romani (however aggravating they may be) are hardly like an open, burning sore like a Muslim Ghetto suddenly flaring up under Jihadist pressure. With the Romani, at the very least one may fight it out in the courts.
Once those folks move in on a place it can take months to years to move them.
They do what they do simply because they already know there are no consequences.Hate to tell ya, guvner, but I KNOW THAT FIRSTHAND. But that STILL doesn’t give us carte blanche to wipe them from the face of the Earth.
You want to have your voice heard outside of the courts? Start doing the rounds of the internet like our “Tea Parties,” raise the standard and see who salutes. THEN you use those who do rally to the banner to get MORE people to do so, and then you take that and you PEACEFULLY LOBBY on the issue.
Infuriating? Tell me about it.
But it sure as hell beats armed, Weimaresque mobs going around killing each other.
That’s how Democratic Republics function, and if you have enough faith to die for one, at least have the faith to wait one out.
Might surprise you to know as an aside, that the Irish Travelers have a head start on the English variety and have worked their game smarter. They also have ppl in place ahead of time, often legally buying property but lying about it’s intended use. (as all of them do).
Than perhaps you should extend your contacts across the pond into the Republic and see if anyone in Dublin or Cork is willing to pitch in. That would certainly be more productive than sitting here giving any future plaintiff against you round after round of ammunition to use against you.
Where they move into a place it soon turns into one large garbage dump and crime goes up as well. There is NO PLACE they have INVADED that I am aware of, where the locals are happy.
They care for nothing but their own immediate needs regardless of what harm they inflict.
That does not even enter their thinking.While I could point out half a trillion PC corrections about that issue, I am not going to. Why? Because I’ve dealt with them as well, and while you GROSSLY overgeneralise, you are hardly without merit.
Perhaps if you lived here the last going on five years as of April 28, you might not agree but you might understand why I feel as I do.
Put the damn Crown of Thrones down and Climb off the Cross, because if anybody on this thread deserves to play martyr on this issue it is me.
You think you have it tough in the Isles?
Well, you probably do.
But you have hardly seen anything.
Because, guvner, like it or not, neither the British or the Irish have ANYTHING on the Italians.
And I had the luxury of visiting right in the Maelstrom of it: Napoli, Venezia, and (ironically) Roma
And let me be quite clear on this: for all your well-intentioned complaints, you probably have never really faced physical, emotional, or ecconomical damage from the Romani personally.
The same cannot be said for me.
Nativist (and I mean REAL Nativist, Xenophobic, and often Neo-Fascist) mobs of alarming popularity; Romani Slums that one could not go into unarmed, without counter-thief measures, or at night; a particularly nasty “Close Encounter” that ended with the application of a pipe wrench to somebody’s cranium; these are all just a taste.
I will be honest: I didn’t live there, so you can perhaps still lay claim to your martyrdom on that, but even considering that, I still think I had the rawer deal.
But you DON’T see me going around casually talking about mass-slaughter against them, now do you?
Because, for all the grief they put me through, I actually came away with something far more valuable than unaired grievances.
You see, during my stay in Italia, I actually took the time to stop and take in as much as I could.
For one, I actually learned about the history of the Romani. And it was eye-opening.
I won’t cheat you of the information, for that, you have to use Google.
But let me tell you, few things are more useful in dealing with them than a solid grasp of the history and (as far as possible) the culture.
Why? You’ll see.
For one, I’m guessing you haven’t scoped out “The Porjadmos” yet, have you?
Another thing to consider. My opinion as to a solution, while I feel valid and workable,
is exactly that. My opinion which I’ve every right to.On that, you are correct. However, your assertion of a right to your opinion on that matter becomes LUDICROUSLY ironic when you contrast what your “proposal” (tongue-in-cheek I hope, serious I fear) entails and how closely it mirrors “The Porjadmos.”
In fact, since I haven’t stolen my opinion while they steal land, I would say I have a greater right to my opinion then they do to property they occupy.
Of the land they genuinely steal, that is correct. But as you and I both know, that isn’t the only way they operate.
The bottom line is that you had better take a look in the mirror before continuing. Because everything you have told me I have already seen- indeed, sometimes suffered personally from- in Italy. If anything, I have far more grievances against them than you.
But you don’t see me up in arms baying for blood, now do you?
The simple fact is that what you propose is a dark road indeed. In fact, I would wager that you don’t even know how dark it is ("The Porjadmos” again), but let me tell you now: think twice, because it is not a road one like you should tread.
I know.
Because I have seen everything you have written written many times over in Italian.
And, what is worse, I have seen it written elsewhere, in German.
Wasn’t it old Winston who said “Study History, Study History, Study History!”?
You should take his advice, for it should clear your perspective up.
Am I saying you should roll over for the Romani?
Absolutely not.
If they come for your land unlawfully, go to the courts, the Police, the Media, the Internet, and yell at anybody who will listen. The same goes for anyone else’s land.
If they try to steal something or someone off of you, treat them like any other robber.
If they threaten you physical harm, do what must be done to defend what is yours.
But go no further than their actions warrant.
There is a Line where self-defence ceases to be self-defence, where self-preservation is no longer self-preservation, where
And any who cross this Line- Liberal, Conservative, British, French, Romani, Jewish, Alaskan Moose- cannot turn back. And the sad fact is that one is obliged to strike down any who crosses it. This is just as true for myself as it is for you.
You are not ignorant, and I am sure you know of several examples of this being done.
So study, study, study.
And when you are prepared, take your fight outside and get the word out.
But do not make the cardinal mistake of stepping over that Line. For that leaves the rest of us with only one option to do.
Italy is just now climbing out of the pit I saw her climbing in, and I fear that she may start to descend again at any time.
I also know what lies at the very bottom of that pit.
You often denigrate “The Continent” for their tomfoolery and their missteps (and rightfully so).
It is my sad irony that you don’t see yourself following one of the darkest trails they- indeed, ANYBODY- has ever carved.
Posted by Turtler
04/17/2009 at 06:51 AM
I have but a simple question: If the legislative and judicial bodies in a given area have lost their will to enforce the rule-of-law, or they’re simply outclassed by the criminal elements, what then?
What ACTUAL solutions that will restore rule-of-law can be used?
I have but a simple question: If the legislative and judicial bodies in a given area have lost their will to enforce the rule-of-law, or they’re simply outclassed by the criminal elements, what then?
What ACTUAL solutions that will restore rule-of-law can be used?
You simply do what you must to perserve yourself, your loved ones, and your property.
If you can do so by kicking the problem upstairs, fair enough.
If you are forced to do so by blood, than so be it.
The specifics depend upon the situation.
But in the case you are implying connection with, there is a fine line between the two situations.
The Romani are troublesome, but they aren’t uniform, they aren’t all alike 9let me tell you, I could spend MONTHS takking about the differences that can pop up between branches of the same clan), and the crimes of one against you does not warrant your crimes against the others.
Let me put this bluntly: If (to use an American stereotype that often turns out to be true) you have your wallet filched by a “Black Gangsta,” you have all thre right in the world to go after him and neutralize him in any fashion you may. This is self-defense.
However, while it is ok to take care of that one “Gangsta,” it isn’t ok to- upon having dealt with the aforementioned swine- to go around killing unrelated people just because they too are Black and justifying it as defence of self and defense of your property.
Now, this analogy isn’t PERFECT for the Romani (I would expect that the two most unrelated Romani would be far more similar than the two most unrelated Blacks), it is the best you can do.
If one of them comes to try and seize your property, do what you must- violently if need be- but (unlike Pieper’s ranting) don’t heighten the matter by going out and going Attila the Hun on the closest Romani Camp/Community/Uncatalogued Dumpster, Okay?
Posted by Turtler
04/17/2009 at 04:29 PM
Oh come on Turtler.
Crown of thorns? Hardly but if that’s how you take it, enjoy.No, I don’t know of your personal experiences as you’ve only just mentioned same.
Hey ... for now at least I was NOT even referring to Romani. The folks I refer to are NOT Romani altho their lifestyle and MO may be the same.
Where did I say genocide? I said taking out a couple of hundred would show the authorities would no longer put up with this shit. That’s hardly genocide but I do confess the thought with regard to this cancer on the body politic has it’s merits. Yes,yes I can see you jumping up and down in outraged humanity. AH T. And that’s exactly where they get ya.
They (travelers/gypos whatever) can ALWAYS count on that. Your mistake and it is an honest one, is viewing these .... these .... people(?) as just that. That’s where they have ya.
What one must do is regard what I suggest as merely a delousing operation. Or if you’d rather, a culling. It’s done all the time in nature.Your example re. BlackGangsta not valid but I can see where you’d come to that conclusion.
Going to authorities as suggested only earns a person an accusation of “racism.”
Funny but I never thought of “Travelers” either Irish or English in terms of race. Leave to the lawyers and lefties to come up with that. And they have.A police dept here was ASKED about the coming camp in their area. Police said they didn’t think it a good idea and were immediately branded with the big “R.”
Must vacate puter for next few hours but will continue if I must.
04/17/2009 at 08:48 AM
