Terri Is Dead
’Passed Away’? - more like SLOWLY MURDERED by the STATE.
I’ve seldom seen an issue that fits so poorly on a bumper sticker. I still don’t know what’s the “RIGHT THING”. But so many people seem to be so sure they do. Fifteen years in a vegetative state? No thanks. The husband wants her dead, the parents want her alive. Not the sort of issue that’s best decided by zealots and a media circus. Rest in peace girl.
Posted by Oink
03/31/2005 at 10:36 AM
Rest in peace, indeed.
Terri is in heaven with God.
Terri’s so called “husband” denied Terri’s family the chance to be in the room with her as she passed from this earth.
I hope he rots.
The Husband, Michael, will probably write a book about this and get even more money. He can title it, “How to Publicly Kill your Wife and Get Away with it.”
Rest Terri, you have made a difference in a lot of people’s lives.
"Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of “over-zealous” treatment. Here one does not will to cause death; one’s inability to impede it is merely accepted. The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, whose reasonable will and legitimate interests must always be respected.”
--The Catechism of the Catholic Church
(I don’t believe her husband was the person described in the last sentence)
Posted by Oink
03/31/2005 at 11:33 AM
For once I’m speechless.
Rest in Peace Terri.
_oh and I hope Michael Schiavo and George Felos die long excrutiating deaths.Posted by Annoying Little Twerp
03/31/2005 at 11:33 AM
I don’t think I’ve needed a beer more in my life.
For quite possibly the first time in my life, I don’t know what to say.
Posted by Riggs
03/31/2005 at 11:41 AM
May she rest in peace. What a terrible, heart-wrenching episode in our history.
I hate to look at MSM bias all the time but does anyone else notice that now the pictures on the news sites are before her collapse but up until now it was always a recent picture? Coincidence??
Hmm weird.. Ive heard that michael was not there and the family was when she died.. according to the priest that was there.. how things get so twisted.. in this case who knows what is the truth.. I would have had to have been there to know..
which leaves the question.. how long would the rest of you like to live confined to a bed? This case just brings home the need for Written Living wills to me.. ohh gee in this thread my avatar doesnt seem that appropriate.. Sorry. will change it..
According to Fox News, Michael Schiavo was at her side when she died. They are also reporting that Michael refused to let her parents into the room at the end.
I don’t know. I just dont’ know. I can’t stop the tears. You folks forgive me. I will be posting lightly today, if at all. Thanks.
I just posted about Terri’s death on my blog as well. I hope that “husband” and his lawyer, as well as the judges and politicians all die long excruciating deaths.
Allan, there’s nothing to forgive. Cry all you want. I certainly did.
Everyone who didn’t bother to get off their fat ass to say something to someone, write a letter to your representative or senator, blog, protest, talk to a friend or coworker who was misguided, or do anything - even the slightest little bit of effort to say something about the completely unwarranted murder of an innocent person is guilty of aiding and abetting murder.
None of us, not one did enough. We should have stormed the hospital and the courts. Tore the robed fascists from their benches and threw them into the streets. The people decide the law not the other way around. If we can’t elect people to make the laws for our society then what is the point of this whole exercise? If judicial tyranny is the true rule here then it is time for a revolution, a second civil war.
Oh no, every body gets up in arms when a few of our overworked, underpaid, overstressed, improperly trained soldiers mishandle a couple of dozen foreign POW’s. It isn’t as if anyone has ever mishandled OUR troups and citizens before. Ever hear of the Bataan Death March? Chat up John McCain sometime about the “hospitality he received during his visit to the Hanoi Hilton. I’ll betya that the folks in the WTC enjoyed their toasty ride on 911 to the ground as well.
The whole world goes ape-shit when we mess up a few pieces of subhuman feces in Guantanamo and other locals with the thought of preventing another 911. I notice that we haven’t had a couple thousand more folks slaughtered recently. Hmmm...it must have worked.
Imagine the world-wide outrage if we decided to starve Osama or Saddamn to death. I can just imagine the outrage: the protests, the outcries in the UN, the “news” on Al Jazeera, the op/eds in the LA and New York Times and the Washington Post, and God forbid everything in the European press.
The Americans are butchers, the Americans are Nazi’s, oh the inhumanity of those people...oh oh ohhhhhhh!! Save the Shrimp man!!!!! Ohhhhhhhhhh!
Bush, haliburton, oil, killer, killer, oh oh ohhhhhhhh!!!
Funny, they are all ballistic about are death penalty, too. How inhumane we are to kill the killers. To make murderers of innocents suffer. According to “the world” we are supposed to put them up in nice rooms with comfortable beds and MTV. Give them 3 good meals and an education and therapy. Feel their pain and if they become civilized we should let them rejoin our little family of man. If they make another boo boo, we start all over trying to ease their suffering as we must be the guilty ones for their murderous rage. But killing them is evil.
Trying to protect ourselves and families by perminantly removing the threat and maybe dissuading a few folks from imitating them. The idea that if you kill, you could get caught and be killed, so killing is not a wise idea. Maybe if we made the execution of vicious murderers so horrific that the fear of getting caught might stop one from murdering, we’d have a few less killers. Isn’t that logical?
No, no that is inhumane. We have to send killers gently into the night. Why not starvation? I mean after all, starvation is supposed to be painless after all (if you listen to all the folks supporting Terry’s husband)!! What a more humane way to end their suffering? Not to mention save us a few bucks feeding scum. But gosh, I guess that we only want to starve to death those to whom we think, “Wow, I wouldn’t want to live like that!”. For now its just the ones who can’t fight back (like Terry and the preborn).
What’s next? The quadroplegics? Gosh, I wouldn’t want to live like that. All of the bedriddden seniors? Oh how terible to live like that. The ugly? Who’d want to be ugly. We have to stop their families from feeding them. Fat people (starvation might work and if it doesn’t the first time we just keep them from ever eating again). Conservatives? Oooooohhh! They’re stupid and who’d want to be like that!! Bring it on, we’re armed and if it come to this, we’ll take what we need. I’ve spent years handling firearms and you’ll have to stack the bodies of MIB’s you send to put me down.
Hey gay people? What if they decide “who’d want to be gay?”. Jews and Gypses? Who’d want to be them? I seeem to remember that this is pretty much the sequence of events the NATIONAL SOCIALISTS implemented in Germany in the 1930’s as it became the cult of Hitler. It became the policy of weeding out the impure. I mean who’d want to be impure? Even worse who’d want to be a Christain? How horrible! They need to be starved! How about this: Everyone (who is an enlightened pure human) should get a mark on them and anyone who refuses to get the mark doesn’t get to eat. Where have I heard that idea before? Where are we headed? Do I need a Revelation here?
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Liberal, liberal, answer me this:
Why is giving a vicious murderer a comfy life (or less) imprisonment (instead of the death he deserves) considered humane, and giving a life of imprisonment (instead of a slow death) to someone whose only crime was having a broken mind considered inhumane?
You always claim to be so enlightened and so much better than all of the rest of us, so please explain to all of us stupid little peasants how these things are to be preferred!!!!!!!
This is why it is important to have your wishes in writing. whether you want to be kept alive in this condition or whether you do not want to be. I have had a living will since I turned 18. I update it whenever I move to a new state or decide on changed the executioner of it (that sounds strange). If you do not have your wishes in writing, then your spouse has legal right to make those choices for you. This is not the first time this battle has been fought. There was a similar case in CA in the 80’s. Many people go through this every day, only Terri’s was so publicized. I personally do not want to be kept alive by artificial means if i have no brian function.
I counselled a woman in our VA Hospital Home Care unit who was caring for her bedfast husband in the final stages of cancer.
Years ago they had a child who died of a debilitating disease. Her husband couldn’t stand to get involved or help her with the work.
I told her, yes, it’s more than OK to feel resentment.
Posted by Oink
03/31/2005 at 02:06 PM
I wonder how many people are contacting the
assholecrack legal team of Michael Shi*head Shiavo about their poor Aunt Edna whose quality of life isn’t what she would have wanted. RIP, Terry and Rot in Hell Michael Shiavo.Posted by yatalli
03/31/2005 at 02:07 PM
On Prager he has his brother"a leading bioethesis” on.
Kenneth Prager-the brother- says that the video’s of Terri that we kept seeing were “misleading” and that poor Michael Schiavo and Greer are being unfairly demonized.
GAG!Posted by Annoying Little Twerp
03/31/2005 at 02:20 PM
ohh wow wishing death on others. that isn’t very christian is it? maybe you should think about what you are sating… We will probaly never know what Michael was really thinking.. possibly he did finally realize that it was best to let her go on and leave after 7 years of being like that and the malpractice lawsuit money was just a coincidence.. also that is long gone.. Ohh well i guess some of you all are busy heading to another abortion doctor’s house to murder him because it is a “just solution”.This is what should’ve been a personal matter turned into a bigger matter byher family.. right at this moment there are probaly 200 feeding tubes being pulled from the elderly and such.. I don’t see you all making a big out cry about it..This whole thing has driven me crazy.. and I am not a lefty in any sense.. I just can see things from both perspectives.. something some people have seemed to forget how to do…
Terri Schiavo is with the Lord…
I can’t prove it, but somehow I know that is true.
I also believe that everyone has a purpose on this Earth. It may well be that Terri’s was to call attention to such so-called ‘end-of-life’ issues.
Maybe.
I do know that a result of her living and passing this way was that my mother and I have started talking about what she would want. It’s also caused ME to examine what I would do in Mom’s case. And I don’t like what I see. Mirrors suck.
Godspeed Terri. See you on the other side… if I’m lucky.
Allan - I must have missed that on Fox. That son of a bitch didn’t let her parents in during her last minutes on earth? FUCK! Useless motherfucker! I am just so unbelievably pissed I can’t see straight! He can’t have the good graces to allow the people that loved her most, her own mother for Christ sake, to see her off? Rat Shit Eating Bastard! Is nothing beyond him?
It smells fishy to me.. the schinder’s spiritual advisor has sais that supposedly they were in the room 10-15 minutes before her death but werent in the room at the moment of her death because michael didn’t want them there.. Uhh yeah sure.. like he had this clock that said she was going to die in 10-15 minutes… I just put a little suspicion into that like many of the things coming from both sides..
I would like to buy Riggs a beer.
This is an open-ended offer.
Riggs,if you are ever in my area, I owe you at least one beer.
Christopher:
I will take you up on this offer on one condition:
I buy you one too. Open-ended offer, too.
Thanks, Christopher
RiggsI’m in Littleton, CO. I don’t know where you are, but email me and let me know.
Posted by Riggs
03/31/2005 at 04:02 PM
I believe Terri is now embraced in light.
Each and everyone of us has learnt a very painful, powerful lesson. I concur wholeheartedly with comments # 6 and 9, but the ultimate judgment will be one that is appropriate regardless.
I agree with Apathy or Freedom in #27 because I, for one, believe that forgiveness is best left to the professionals.
I sent this email to Hugh Hewitt, radio talk show guy extraordinaire, at HughHewitt.com :
Dear Hugh,
How’s this for a legal protest against Michael Schiavo?
Every restaurant that recognizes him coming into their establishment refuses service to him. If he protests, the manager can silently point to the sign most (if not all) restaurants have:
‘We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.’
He won’t starve or die of thirst (like his wife) and it won’t break the law in any way, but it would sure get the message across to him and the press that follows him.Posted by Riggs
03/31/2005 at 04:16 PM
Jinkies! (a little Scooby-Do lingo there)
Riggs really needs that beer.
I’ve a sister in Ft. Collins. Is that close to Litteleton? Haven’t visited her in years…
“Dear Sis, I’m only visiting to buy a beer for Riggs.” Might keep him from going postal on himself.
BTW, I’m in Dayton, OH
Babylonandon, so well stated!
For the very first time in my life, I am ashamed of my country. No, that’s not true; I am ashamed of what I/we have allowed our country to become. The “liberalization” of morals and ideals could only occur with our tacit approval. The small, incremental erosion of the concepts we were taught to hold as children. Chip by chip..the gradual disintegration of the moral fabric; the shading of “right” and “wrong”. The denial of the existence of “evil”, even the denial of the existence of God. Innocent babies slaughtered by the thousands in abortion clinics for the sake of convenience; a disabled young woman starved for the same reason. Where do we draw the line? Are there enough of us left with the moral standards and desire to stop the direction we are headed?Lord help us.
Hell Riggs, I’m within spitting distance from you. If I get down to Denver I’ll buy you a beer at Cheerleaders.
Yeah ft. collins is fairly close to littleton.. littleton is a suburb basically of denver.. so that gives you the idea of distance… My brother went to college at ft collins for a year.. nice place..
remember, Let him who is without sin cast the first stone… Now I would suggest that yall drop your stones.. and walk away from them…
ALL: substitute “unborn, disabled, elderly, etc. for Communists, trade unionist, Catholic, Jew:
In Germany they came first for the Communists and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up.
* Martin Niemöller 1892-1984.
Infinity, you keep saying that “...We will probaly never know what Michael was really thinking...” You also allude to many doubts as to some of the supposed facts. Two things are for certain:
1. We will never know now what Teri’s wishes were.
2. With so many unanswered questions, the courts should have erred on the side of LIFE, especially when her care would not cost the taxpayer one lousy dime (if that was a major concern).Let’s see now....the Pope can no longer speak; he now has a feeding tube; many would consider him to be brain damaged...what say you?
One thing we can all agree on is the importance of a living will, since we now know that the judiciary is untouchable and can determine with impunity when it is time for somebody to die.
Christopher,
Fort Collins is about 1-1/2 hours north of Littleton. I’ll drive up there anytime to take you up on that offer. We’ll hit Coopersmith’s bar, ‘coz they make their own beer there and it is awesome.
I promise not to go postal on myself if you don’t.LC Geno,
I’ll meet you at Cheerleaders for that beer and I’ll buy you one too. Thanks.Email me whenever you guys get in town.
Posted by Riggs
03/31/2005 at 08:21 PM
Re. msc #28…
Not much of a protest, and probably not worth much - but as far as I’m concerned it was Terri Schindler who passed away this morning. I will no longer call her by her so-called husband’s name.
My prayers are with her family.
Posted by quidni
03/31/2005 at 08:45 PM
Agreed, Quidni.
So far, I have not seen this mentioned anywhere. But there is a synchronicity here that is almost too surrealistic to be real.
In 1992 appeared a movie, “Schindler’s List.” Most of you probably saw it. Do you remember the tagline?
“Whoever saves one life, saves the world entire?”
Check IMDB if you don’t believe it.
Prophetic? Someone tell me.
Rest in peace, Terri.
Sorry, typo--the movie appeared in 1993--
Tannenberg (comment#38),
I think you just gave me a permanent case of the creeps.What I mean is, I just started getting used to the heebies today, but now I’ve got the jeebies.
FUCK! The beer hasn’t been made yet that can get rid of this feeling. I think I may have to add acetysalicylic phenobarb anarsaphenamine.
Don’t ask me what that is, I ain’t a damn doctor. I heard it on M*A*S*H when I was ten.Posted by Riggs
03/31/2005 at 11:51 PM
I’m sorry, Riggs. I didn’t mean to give anyone the permanent creeps, but I can understand how you feel.
I often wonder just what powers are at work in this world of ours, and what we actually know about them. I fear that we have forgotten more than we have remembered.
Terri’s tragedy presents us with warnings on more than one level. May we have the wisdom to perceive and understand.
All the best to you, friend.
Tannenberg,
Back at ya, friend.Posted by Riggs
04/01/2005 at 11:45 AM
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