Some People ARE Nuts!
on 12/07/2010 at 05:16 PM
Oh Come on Drew, You know you want to hit that trigger just once. Even if just to compare to that other evil gun you shot years ago that I dont remember the name of but which you spoke of here long time ago.
Holey Sheets, I thought it was ‘shopped for a moment. It’s a ridiculous amount of pistol.
Oh that other evil gun I shoot all the time. It manages to throw a mere 400 grain bullet at 2200fps, or a 500 grain bullet at a tiny hair under 2000fps. Weighing in at 11.5lbs, it’s still more recoil than most people are comfortable with. Compared to full-on elephant guns though, it’s a popgun. It’s merely a buffalo gun, built to shoot “little” 1500 pound bison with. Cape buffalo. Or perhaps giraffes or hippos in the < 4000lb range. It’s not enough for elephants.
Somewhere out on the internet you can find videos of people shooting a hunting cannon called a .577 Tyrannosaurus. That’s a similar amount of recoil to the .600 Nitro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnk5pl6VPoM&feature=related
problem is, that same video clip has been reposted with all sorts of different cartridges said to being used ... if you can’t see what they’re loading, you can’t tell what they’re shooting.
Here’s one for a .700 Nitro, fired by a guy who knows what he is doing. Look at the size of that bloated cow of a rifle!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D41NYBHkb9M&feature=related
Note the lack of falling down and screaming. Duh. Hold a big rifle in a push pull grip so that both arms are under tension. Your off hand grabs the forearm like your life depends on it (it does!) and pushes the gun away from you. Your trigger hand grabs the rifle’s wrist just as hard and pulls in into hard contact with your body. Together, you whole upper torso is locked, as if you’re doing those Charles Atlas isometric exercises. Lean into the shot. Really lean into it. Step into it! Keep your head up! And even with all that, the guy in this vid takes a step or two back, and damn near implants the second gun in his face. You want to try that in a handgun? Hella no!
While a 12 gauge slug is actually a tiny bit larger than .700, the .700 bullet is about 50% heavier than the 12 gauge slug. And it’s fired 35% faster, or more; 80% faster if you compare “reduced recoil” slugs to hot loaded .700 ammo. So the amount of recoil is about 8 times as much: E = 1/2mV^2.
Oh wait, you meant the .356 Winchester. Yes, that one has truly EVIL recoil. Not so much because the cartridge itself is super potent, but because the rifle that shoots it has the 2nd worst ergonomics of any rifle ever made. You betcha, the Model 94 Winchester sucks ass when it comes to recoil management. The butt is far too small and too narrow; it’s just a little bit better than using an axe head up against your shoulder. Triple the size of the gun’s butt, so that’s it’s the same as a regular bolt gun’s, and recoil wouldn’t be bad at all.
Big gun butt, big recoil pad, heavy rifle, good stock design with a longer length of pull: put them all together and you can shoot seriously powerful guns with comfort. Take any two of these factors out of the equation and you are entering a world of hurt. PS: most rifles don’t weigh enough, and almost all of them have poor stock ergonomics for recoil management. Two factors right there! This means that almost all powerful rifles are unpleasant to shoot. Damn shame, that. Alpin’s Coil Chek stock is a wonder, but it isn’t pretty, so it never caught on. And everybody wants their rifle to weigh 3 ounces until they pull the trigger. Dummies.
Want to know more?
http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_recoil.htm
http://a-squareco.com/Rifles.htmland I’ve debated with folks for years that the real limiting recoil factor is recoil velocity. Each to his own, but for me, anything that comes back at me faster than 15fps is going to hurt. Get a heavier gun and slow down the recoil impulse. The pounds of recoil don’t mean jack. It’s the speed.
I knew I could get you to ‘Explain’ this further.
The only big gun I ever shot was a .460 weatherby. It had a nice cushion on the butt so it wasnt too bad.
Those are great vids btw,Fun to watch.Drew I agree and your calculation above confirms it. The recoil energy is hugely dependent on recoil velocity. I do have to laugh at the people who are obsessed with having the biggest guns. I worked for a time in a gun shop, and the biggest chumps are those, who having missed game the previous season, think that a bigger gun will cure their shooting problems. The reality is a harder kicking rifle will most likely result in even worse performance. As for shooting that 700 nitro hand cannon. Thanks, but no thanks. I think I would pass on that.
I can see owning a Nitro Express if one is hunting rhino hippo or other large land based animal, but for normal day to day deer or moose shooting, I think I will stick to the .303 Enfield.
My dad has a .50 cal that my granddad built in 1910 as an apprentice project that we have fired a few times, Call me a wimp if you want, but that is plenty.All I can see anything that large for is curiosity, collectible, crackpot or protection if one works in Africa in a place known for attacks or where hunting for large critters is legal.
A waste of cash IMHO..
BillDoc, not every gun is for every person. That’s why it’s great to have such a choice, and the freedom to buy as many as you feel like.
The good old .303 is a great hunter. I like the big soft round nosed bullets in the .303, but the little 125gr SP are awesome for the smaller stuff. The right powder will get you 3000fps!
I agree, but as I said, my opinion
I use a variety of loads depending on what I am hunting and where I am hunting. I use the military style FMJ (175gr) mark 7 ammo a for almost everything. They get me about 2400-2500 fps if my gunsmith wasn’t lying to me. I also have a few boxes of 150gr that get me damn near 2800 which makes me giggle (I use these for anything over 200 yards) I like a rifle that can make a decent sized buck flip over. :3
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