Freedom of Association?
on 10/29/2007 at 08:59 PM
Fun one - you can debate this a long time. OK - help is seriously needed and in general, if they’re on my side I’ll be happy to have them. The problem is that with somebody like the neo Nazis, I’d be worried about getting shot in the back. My particular ethnic group is on their sh*t list. That’s a problem that most folks here don’t have. I guess that would define them automatically as not being on my side even if they were targeting Islamists.
When Osama bin Laden first emerged as a major terrorist figure, there was a lot of talk that he was our creation because we’d trained and equipped him to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. The phenomenon was called “blow back”. In the case of the Swedes, it’s a scary situation. It seems that the Sweden Democrats and potentially very dangerous, but because of their own internal power struggles, self limiting (so far). Let’s see, they get their stuff together, get weapons and training for the GWOT and we’d have another case of “blow back”.
Given the choice between neo Nazis and Islamists is really like trying to choose between AIDS and cancer. I can see myself getting cozy with one or the other if I absolutely had to (and don’t bet against my concealing my ethnicity in that case), but I’d really like a choice where I didn’t have to get close to either one. Frankly the world would be a much better place without either Islamists or neo Nazis.
I feel like a sucker for even taking this on.
Okay, I’ll play. Sure lets hook up with them and turn them loose on anybody not willing to lay their life on the line in the defense of our great nation.
Once we wipe out the islamic plague from all corners of the globe, we come back home and throw a little chlorine on these chumps and live happily ever after.
Well peiper, the wikipedia defintion of “fascist” is one who holds “an authoritarian political ideology that holds the state above all else and seeks to forge a type of national unity, usually based on ethnic, cultural, or racial attributes”.
Just substitute the words “their religion” for the words “the state”.
That in itself is an over-simplification, as the two are so completely intertwined in Islam.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Whatever it takes to control this false god/Satanic insanity. We can clean up any extraneous mess afterwards.
When asked why he wanted to form an alliance with Stalin against Hitler, Churchill replied, “I would embrace the Devil himself if he declared war on Germany.” Ideology is secondary in a battle for survival. That doesn’t mean it’s totally irrelevant, merely that living is the first priority. Anything else can be sorted out later.
"The enema of my enemy is my friend.”
Find all the neo-nazis, skinheads, color haters, etc., and send them in in the first waves.
Should this scenario ever come to pass we will already be like them anyway, driven by rage and hatred ... because to make this one happen we would already have run out of bombs, missiles, planes, etc., AND be losing to the Saracen hordes. When you’re in the Alamo and up against Santa Anna you don’t turn away an extra rifleman.
Also we have already proven that we can beat the Nazis - so let us all join forces to end this rampaging ‘wipe all infidels from the World’ hiding behind a religion. And I agree - let’s send them in the first waves - might just solve two problems at once.
Narrowing down something to ‘oooh I don’t like his politics’ - when the World is exploding - is shear stupidity. And I tend to think that is the key problem with America right now - the petulant, immature and gravenly base of the DNC/left are so torqued around the bend about GWB winning in 2000 -that they care not for anything but sinking him - while America is being torn asunder while the Devil is licking his lips waiting to just walk in and take over.
I can’t imagine being so stupid in the face of an enemy who has stated the desire to destroy us and take over the world - over one politician and one election loss.
Talk about insanity. . .And it will kill us if we don’t get rid of as many of them as possible in 2008.
A few years ago the Southern Poverty Law Center made a pretty good case that a number of Islamist and neo-Nazi/Xtian Identity* groups were working together because they both hate Jews enough to overlook the “infidel” and “sand nigger” stuff. Anyone hear anything about this recently?
*I refuse to associate the word Christian with these scum.
Oh, and returning to the OP for a moment, Osama Bin Laden never worked for the CIA. That’s an old moonbat slur, long since disproven. After the Soviets invaded Afghanistan several groups sent military aid to the guerillas, not just the US. The CIA trained mostly Afghanis from the refugee camps in Pakistan to fight. Bin Laden came over as part of a Saudi-financed group and because of his wealth and connections quickly rose in rank. But they never had much to do with the CIA-sponsored groups. In fact, most Afghani insurgents wouldn’t have anything to do with them. They weren’t particularly good or discriminating who they shot at.
After the Soviets bailed the CIA split, too, but Bin Laden and crew stuck around. They linked up with an extremist group called the Taliban in the mid-90s and helped take over most of the country. Neither had ever been trained, funded, or supported by the CIA.
Apologies then Orion. I think though that even if we didn’t fund or train him directly, the funding and training we did do are certainly related and didn’t hurt his cause, nor the cause of the Mujahedin who fought the Soviets. I remember well the news clips of the Islamists having ceremonies with the Koran and such before going off to fight. At the time, we were quite happy to support them. We only looked at the Islamists as another tool to harry the Soviet Union. What we’re learning now is that they don’t like us any better than they did the Soviets. Which particular groups of Islamists did we support? Frankly I don’t know, but I haven’t heard of any of them actually supporting us. We seem to be doing well with the tribal Sheiks, but I’ve heard little positive from the Imams.
Yup
10/30/2007 at 04:10 AM
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