Democrats Don’t Like 9/11 Reference By Bush
Maybe she’ll go for a drive with Teddy. We can only live in hope.
Never mind “Comrade Sonja” Pelosi. After all, she is paid to approach every subject with an open mouth.
Speaking of which, they’re sneaking in another pay raise for themselves.
>>After all, she is paid to approach every subject with an open mouth.
One thing you can say about her is that she approaches them with open eyes as well.
Bela Pelosi must have watched “Animal House” too many times, especially the part where
Bluto Blutarski gives his Delta House “motivational” speech where he asks “did we back down when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor...”LC RP
I believe that he said something like ‘as the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down’ or words to that effect.
When someone starts screaming nonsense about “imperialism” I usually ask them to list American colonies. They never seem to respond. Why would Iraq be any different? Look at the record, we’ve liberated a lot of countries and always left when asked. See France in the mid fifties, once they had been given back their country that they surrendered. The U.S. was out of there when de Gaulle gave the word. (I think they wanted the advanced toilet technology.)
I remind people that we got out of Saudi Arabia pretty quickly after we were asked to leave. Which, incidentally, was also after we saved their asses from invasion by Saddam. You remember Desert Storm, don’t ya?
I suggest that the killing will stop when we kill or otherwise neutralize the last terrorist blowing up innocents in the streets.
Geeze, “de-animate”. I think I like that. Perhaps we can get the PC crowd to buy into that one. They like to use language to obfuscate reality, this just might work.
We kept a base in Germany after the war, what is wrong with doing the same in Iraq?
Posted by Z Woof
06/29/2005 at 09:51 AM
We have several bases in Germany, Z. We’re in the process of reducing forces there and shutting some of them down. Some troops will come home, some will relocate. Poland is a likely candidate and they want us there.
The Germans are howling about the loss of jobs that this is causing. It’s the same people who were telling us to get out.
This comes under the “careful what you wish for” category.
Now that we don’t need to protect them from the Soviets we can reduce forces there. It makes sense, as does relocating to places where our economic boost to the local economy is appreciated.
Here’s my plan: Just north of Baghdad, where the Tigris and Euphrates come together is the location of the ancient city of Samarra which once ruled the known world (circa 5000 BC). There is a large lake there and several of Sodomy’s palaces. I propose that is where we should build the largest combined Army/Marine/Air Force base in the world: Fort Rove, Bush AFB and Camp Rumsfeld. The swabbies can have the port of Basra where they can build Reagan Naval Station. Then we plant missile silos over the Iraqi desert with Minuteman II MIRV’s (nukular, of course) targeted at Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Algeria and anyone else who tries to piss us off or jack up oil prices.
But that’s just me. I’m a real peaceful kinda guy. Really.
GRRRRRRRRRR ....
What extra training do we need, OCM?
1- Raghead dictator gets frisky
2- Push button
3- Goodby raghead dictatorEnd of training session.
Our military bases have been built and maintained in areas where it has been in OUR best interests to be there. Rumsfeld is redefining the need-to-be-there basis now. It seems to me that a U.S. military base in the Levant is a necessity considering all the nuclear countries surrounding the area. Maybe that’s WHY we went into Iraq in the first place. Dreaming? Who knows. One this is for sure,- Bush could not have stood before congress and the American people and told them that. Can you imagine the blue-faced apoplexy? I can’t say Bush had the foresight to think of a U.S. military base in the Middle East, but I can’t discount in all the talks right after 9/11 that the subject didn’t come up. No doubt Israel had some input. All of those demanding why, and those morons like Pelosi who do nothing but whine that we were lied to may one day look back in awe at the genius of our invasion of Iraq. That a little subterfuge was involved to get it done will be nothing compared to history proving that the means justified the end.
Posted by Phoenix
06/29/2005 at 10:56 AM
The assumption that there is no “Exit Strategy” is, on its face, absurd. I hear this meme constantly from the whiners on the left and increasingly on the right. Simply because YOU want to know doesn’t mean that you need to know. Plans are just that, plans. As any competent project manager will tell you plans need to be flexible and they are immediately obselete the moment that hit the print key.
As to Commrades Pelosi, Kennedy and Kerry: refer to Karl Rove’s brillant statement.
Posted by yatalli
06/29/2005 at 11:14 AM
Frank, I still like to hear that tune every once in a while. Thanx fer the link.
OCM ...
If I ever met someone who should have been in the military ... that would be you.
You have spent TOO many years enjoying the fruits of other’s labor.
Yeah, I know you worked for living. But you never did fight for it.
You have a cavillier attitude about war because you never did that.
For that, I’m glad you didn’t need to. AND for that ... I’ll accept your gratitude.
Personally, you are not qualified to speak about that which you have never experienced.
You do not have that right. Pretend you are casual observer.
Because that is all you are.
Posted by Steel Turman
06/29/2005 at 11:34 AM
Yatalli,
“Simply because YOU want to know doesn’t mean you need to know.”
NO KIDDING ! Thanks for stating the obvious.
Posted by Phoenix
06/29/2005 at 11:48 AM
OCM,
“....use peaceful methods to resolve issues?”
I’m 65 years old, probably near your age. Are you trying to tell me that evil does not exist? You don’t talk to evil; you don’t negotiate with evil; if you see it you destroy it, totally and completely. Any failure to accomplish this will only result in harm to yourself or those you hold near and dear.
A muslim raghead with a bomb strapped around his waist would, I’m sure, welcome your attempt to step up and try to talk him out of his murderous goal.
I’m certain the 3,000 souls lost in the WTC would welcome an opportunity to discuss the situation with the muslim murderers controlling those airplanes.
My friend, killing a rattlesnake is not a bad thing, stooping over to pet it can kill you.Phoenix,
Quite often OUR best interest is also the best interest of the whole world. I’ll point to the U.S. Navy’s mission to keep the world’s sea lanes open and free for trade between nations.
Believe it or not there are still pirates out there. No, they’re not peg legged sailors with parrots on their shoulders saying “aaarrr”. They’re the modern version that lurk in some of the choke points of sea trade, board ships and rob and kill the crew. They either then steal the ship and its cargo or turn it loose to create havoc in narrow trade passages.
Have a look at this. Imagine how it would be without our twelve carrier battle groups and various other task groups “showing the flag”.
It’s one of the costs we bear for our best interest that works out well for everybody else. The Brits did it for years and are still doing it, but since WW2 we’ve been bearing most of this burden.
The hairball cometh:
>>The “creator” put a “kill button” in some brains and a “no kill button” in others.........
And a “no think” button in some. Often, but not always, in the same “no kill” brains.
-tuff
(knowing the difference between murder and killing)OCM, this is the drawing room, if you please.
The toilet is located at your own blog.
OCM ...
I’ll be kind.
To have never fought for what you believe ... that’s okay.
Glad I did that for you.
You can rant and rave all you want.
I will tell you what you haven’t done, and I have.
Fight for the right to be here.
You? Heh. You coasted old man. Your ability to speak your mind is something I EARNED
for you.Blather away old man. I actually DO feel your pain.
I know it is heartfelt.
But listen to this OCM ... I, me, myself ... did battle for YOU.
YOU have done nothing for me, for this country or for freedom aside from work a long life. Kudos for that.
Equal? Hmmm ... I think some men are more equal. Those men that fight for the right
to be.You haven’t. So STFU.
Posted by Steel Turman
06/29/2005 at 03:50 PM
Hmm, getting a bit heated today so I better be careful what I say! Having lived near to a US base in Britain I have an idea of the benefits this can bring to a country (and some of the drawbacks) When the US started pulling out of Germany there was a great deal of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Not least because the Germans realised that maybe they would have to start spending some money on defence. The “economic miracle” that was Japan and Germany was partly achieved by the fact that they had relatively minor spending on defence. They simply sheltered under Uncle Sam’s umbrella. Now that the US is committed to defending some many hot spots globally there have to be cuts somewhere.
As for the “exit strategy” in Iraq, well there will be no easy way. This will probably aggravate some of you but the British army has taken years to get out of Northern Ireland and it will still be a long way off. Unfortunately the reality is that both in Northern Ireland and Iraq there are gangsters in control with lots of guns. Personally my view is that in Northern Ireland we had the terrorists by the balls. However we decided to appease the terrorists and the upshot is polarisation between extremists of both political persuasion. In Iraq the only way forward is to train and arm the locals. However my feeling is the US should use the big stick approach with Syria and Iran who are the real supporters of the terrorists. Having a substantial army in the region does give the US a lot of leverage!
OCM, the only fly I appear to have drawn here is you yourself.
Let that suffice.
OCM, no one objects if you insist on making a complete ass of yourself. It seems, after all, to be an intrinsic part of your personality, such as it is.
Go right ahead and foam at the mouth to your heart’s content. Insult any of us as you see fit. Call us all the names you please. You seem determined to do it. Go right ahead. But do not be surprised when you find yourself without friends.
Not that it’s any loss to me. I could not care less. The pity is that I once would have cared--until I saw you for what you are.
Tanny,
Shake your head a couple of times to clear your synapses. You just talked to a fly.
Posted by Phoenix
06/30/2005 at 09:31 AM
Yo Tann,
As you are (or should be) aware, OCM has had pissing matches with just about everyone on this board. Usually it is because someone (ie yours truely) takes him to task for one of his incomprehensible, bong-induced comments.
I believe OCM has a right to speak, just as we have the right to prove him wrong (again) and to STFU.
-tuff
ps. it is especially nice when OCM sends you private hate-email
Thanks for the feed-in, Frank and Tuff, but to be perfectly honest, one dilapidated old pothead more or less makes no difference to me, or in the scheme of the universe, for that matter. We are not short on sociopaths, after all, and the pseudo-bucolic type who enjoys playing at peasant in some rural retreat may add some local color of sorts, but hardly any distinction.
He knows well enough that I corrected him on the matter of his language, or more accurately, his lack thereof. Steel was the one who jiggled his bad conscience about his lack of combat experience, not me. Despite his pin-headed attempts to force me onto the topic of combat experience, he is perfectly well aware of why I took him to task. If his bad conscience extends into the arena of his paucity in vocabulary, that is a matter for the public schools he seems to treasure so much, not for me.
And incidentally, I have no intention of getting into a pissing match with him. After all, who can outpiss a skunk?
Keep trying Frank! You gotta WANT IT!
(my spider senses are telling me a furball cometh soon....)
I am crushed. I didn’t get any private nastygrams either.
Maybe the spittle shorted out his keyboard.
Posted by Steel Turman
06/30/2005 at 10:29 AM
OCM ...
You could have served 20 years and you STILL wouldn’t be qualified to discuss much of
anything. THAT requires a BRAIN.Posted by Steel Turman
06/30/2005 at 10:47 AM
Ahhh… The eloquence is mindboggling.
Frank/Steel, check your emails.
Coming soon to an inbox near you....
-P
Oh Damn, I can’t let it go:
>>Why do I have to be a veteran (combat only please) to discuss war?
We know you are a peacenik-pacifist. That’s fine. However, while peace is a wonderful thing, FREEDOM is better. Some are willing to fight for this, you apparently are not.
I think veterans (and non-veterans) would be willing to debate this topic with you , regardless of your service - or nonservice background if YOU MADE SOME F-ING SENSE!
"Reno bum”? “English twit”?
OCM, we’re not letting our temper get away from us and starting personal attacks are we?
I really hate it when that happens.
so ocm, i have a hypothetical situation for you.
it is 1940 and you own a small vineyard in france. the vineyard business is failing because you are spending all your time smoking pot - but i digress. germany invades. your nation rolls over like a fat seal. you are approached by a village friend asking you to join the resistance.
what do you do?
a) Clean his bong
b) Draw little pictures of the EEEEVIL Germans.
c) See a)
Posted by Steel Turman
06/30/2005 at 12:38 PM
Cat,
“English” is ALWAYS capitalized.
You want people to think? Okay. I think there is no more loathsome creature on this planet than a pacifist. A pacifist will walk away from fighting for the peasants trampled and starved by a ruthless dictator. A pacifist will sneak off to Canada flouting patriotism and a willingness to fight for freedom under the name ‘conscientious objector’. That is just another word for rotten chickenshit coward. You would leave poor children to starve in places like Darfur because you would walk away from fighting the dictator running that country in the name of PEACE. Loathsome. Disgusting. Mindless. Cowardly. That is what a pacifist is. So go on blathering away in your oh-so-noble gibberish. But don’t expect anyone here to sympathsize with your dedication to absconding from the necessity of fighting for the freedoms you take for granted.
Posted by Phoenix
06/30/2005 at 12:49 PM
i think he meant:
c) use bong
d) repeatSee OCM - sometimes you need to kill, in order to save. There is a difference between killing and murder.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/29/AR2005062902918.html
Annan Makes Plea For Troops in Haiti
By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 30, 2005; A18UNITED NATIONS, June 29—United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan asked the United States this week to consider sending troops to Haiti to support a U.N. peacekeeping mission beset by mounting armed challenges to its authority, according to senior U.N. officials.
Annan told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in a meeting at U.N. headquarters Tuesday afternoon that he may have to ask for American “boots on the ground” in the coming months to reinforce more than 6,500 Brazilian, Chilean, Argentine and other peacekeeping forces serving in Haiti, the officials said.
He expressed hope that the United States would participate in a planned U.N. rapid reaction force, authorized by the Security Council earlier this month, that would have the firepower to intimidate armed gangs threatening the country’s fragile political transition. Officials said that similar requests are being considered for other countries, including Canada and France. “We want scarier troops,” one senior U.N. official said.
tuff…
“.... but I digress...”
oh. I am fumbling for Kleenex.... god.... hahahahahahahaha…
HELP !
Posted by Phoenix
06/30/2005 at 12:58 PM
>>therefore, I make MY decisions on a case by case basis.........
so, how about the hypothetical situation i propose for you? what would you do?
So in my hypothetical 1940 scenario:
>>what I will defend (in any manner) is our 8 acres here (and the “immediate area” to be >>determined) but you really have to convince me that I should “defend” much else.
You would just light up another fatty as long as they didn’t bust down your door. And probably complain that some obscure superpower hasn’t saved your pathetic butt.
You are: “Le Vieux Chat Homme”
Nothing I didn’t expect.
Cat,
That would be “Allan”.
Posted by Phoenix
06/30/2005 at 01:51 PM
Cat,
That would be “Cummings”.
Posted by Phoenix
06/30/2005 at 01:54 PM
A defiant fool:
Stone, in blissful ignorance
Of the sledgehammer.OCM has his rights to his 8 acres, but what he doesn’t seem to grasp is that his right to it is enshrined elsewhere. His unwillingness to defend any more than what he sees as his own physical property without defending the principles that allow him the right to call that property his own is a mark of severe shortsightedness.
Another fine haiku. I wonder if it will hit the mark.
Stin, did you ever hear the story about the guy who refused to help put out a fire in a neighbor’s house because it wasn’t his own house?
When it was his house, he found himself all alone, shunned by all.
(And then, surrounded by ashes, he blamed the neighbors, naturally.)
I cannot understand how anyone can deliberately choose to alienate and antagonize everyone he comes in contact with. Most of us know what happens, sooner or later, to people who live that way.
But it makes me that much more appreciative of the folks here who are just the opposite, and thankfully you outnumber the opposition by several hundred to one.
Kindest and most sincere regards, my friend.
To ROOM 101 with you, Cat. There is a jackboot waiting for you.......
Posted by Phoenix
06/30/2005 at 05:30 PM
There is an old hippie in C-O
When it came time to fight he said ‘won’t go’
Smokes pot on most days
While he rants and he raves
But it all sounds like it comes from his asshole.
Posted by Steel Turman
06/30/2005 at 05:59 PM
Good shot, Steel. And like all good humor, it is rooted in the truth.
a) What started this OCM was YOU shooting YOUR mouth off about things of which YOU do not know AND never earned the right to say.
b) I was on the DMZ for 8 months OCM. In 67 - 68. BEFORE the bombing halt. I was at the Triangle in Danang when the ammo dump was sappered. I volunteered for my service. I turned down embassy duty in Europe to go to Vietnam. I was there for almost 2 tours. I was one of the youngest to ever serve in Vietnam. I was medivaced twice. I still have shrapnel in my shoulder. Do you need an xray?
c) And, what, pray tell, were YOU doing then?
d) You ARE a cartoon character OCM. The Mortimer Snerd-inspired buzzard who is always after Bugs Bunny. Dum-de-dum-de-DUMB.
e) Perhaps, it would be illuminating for YOU tell US what YOU have EVER done to earn the right to call YOURSELF an American.
...besides being born here, that is.
Posted by Steel Turman
07/01/2005 at 09:21 AM
Au contraire mon ami ...
It’s people like YOU without a vested interest in this country that are spoiling it.
YOUR ilk and 16,000,000 million illegals who ALSO have no vested interest here.
You tear it down, use it and never build or give back.
Posted by Steel Turman
07/01/2005 at 09:40 AM
Typical ... won’t answer questions and attacks personally.
How constructive. How illustrative. How infantile.
Posted by Steel Turman
07/01/2005 at 09:54 AM
Heh ...
My balls are intact. Unlike your brain.
... or your spine.
Posted by Steel Turman
07/01/2005 at 10:24 AM
06/30/2005 at 03:20 AM
