Danish Dilemna
It IS a matter of Free Speech—just like “Piss Christ” & “Madonna in Manure” were.
Now Moslems can learn the price of freedom—having to tolerate assholes.
Posted by Oink
01/03/2006 at 09:18 AM
Side splitting humor I tell you! It gets better: islamcomicbook.com.
Posted by yatalli
01/03/2006 at 09:27 AM
The EUroweenies will really pile on the pressure. I just hope the Danes stick to their guns and tell them to get stuffed. As Oink says above this is what in the West we consider “freedom of expression” if you don’t like it bugger off.
No doubt some of the sand people will be monitoring this site and will report it to CAIR or whoever takes an interest in preventing freedom of speech.
So, if they don’t allow any pictures of Mohammed, how do they know that these cartoons are cartoons of Mohammed?
Their demands that the government stop the newspaper from printing them also indicates the kind of governments that they themselves have as well as their newspapers.
True words from LBJ & Stin. PLUS if you don’t like it, say so—loud and clear and nasty.
Posted by Oink
01/03/2006 at 11:31 AM
Charles Martel, Coeur de Lion and Barbarossa must be turning in their graves.
They are three men more than all Europe seems able to muster at the moment.
Flying passenger planes into buildings and homicide bombing innocent people is also blasphemous.
FTMI as in
the mooooooosslimmmmmm islamofascists
LC RP
Hey, it’s true that the ‘publication “has offended hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world,”’ Why, just today I got a dispatch from a pal working with starving muslims whom the Islamic world has abandoned in Fukursistan and they pulled out thier old copies of Jyllands-Posten and they were really pissed! Chopped his head right off and burned his family alive for being western.
Damn, he was a good guy, too and his wife and kids were great.
"Muslims comsider any images of the prophet who founded Islam in the seventh century to be blasphemous”.......Personally, I consider Muslims and Islam to be blasphemous, futhermore.....If they were more secure in their rerehensible, offensive and insolent ideologies they wouldn’t feel threatened by a few cartoons (that I find hilarious).
Posted by piccalo
01/03/2006 at 04:53 PM
Here is a basic problem. The Islamofascists insist that theirs is the only way and are totally intolerant and easily “offended” by anything that might make them rethink their beliefs. One time I pointed out to a Shiite just how much resemblence there was between Islamic and Jewish dietary law. Oh boy, big mistake to suggest that Mohamed got his core beliefs and laws from Judaism! Just because Judaism predates Islam by a few thousand years, you’d think that it would be easy to accept.
The rest of us, of all other faiths have learned to take our lumps, laugh at some of it, enjoy some of it and tolerate if not accept the rest. Does your disagreement or criticism of my faith really “offend” me to the point that I’m willing to murder you? Only if I’m a very deeply disturbed and sick individual. I cannot imagine a greater obscenity in the face of God than to kill someone in the name of God.
You are perfectly correct, Dr. Jeff. The pity is that the islamofascists (and not only the islamofascists) believe they have divine sanction to massacre any who disagree with them. Few of us have failed to hear of the legendary virgins who supposedly await the “faithful” who fall in battle.
In Inside Asia (1942 War Edition, New York, Harper & Bros), pp. 543-44, John Gunther observes:
“For several generations the outstanding fact about Islam was its inflammatory militancy. Consider the following passage from the Koran, as quoted in Bertram Thomas’s The Arabs, p.44: “The sword is the key of heaven and of hell; a drop of blood shed in the cause of God, a night spent in arms, is of more avail than two months of fasting and prayer; whosoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven; at the Day of Judgment his wounds shall be resplendent as vermilion and odiferous as musk, and the loss of limbs shall be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim.’ No wonder the Moslems fought--and still like to fight....
“....The Moslems brought much good in their wake, including a consierable attention to art, the use of paper, mathematics, and interest in exploration.
“But the Moslems had then, as now, rather little political sense. They invented a stable system of numerals, which we adopted; they did not invent stable governments. Their religion was strong enough to absorb Asiatic conquerers like the descendents of Genghis Khan, and to reach the uttermost parts of Asia, for instance the Phillipines and Dutch East Indies....but it did not keep most of its converts from being destroyers rather than builders. The Great Moguls in India erected a beneficent dynasty. No other Moslems did.”
Gunther also quotes two other passages from the Koran (first Oxford edition):
XLVII, 15: “And when ye meet those who misbelieve--then strike off the heads until ye have massacred them, and bind fast the bonds!”
II, 182: “Kill them wherever ye find them, and drive them out from whence they drive you out; for sedition is worse than slaughter.”
The 1942 edition of Inside Asia, by the way, offers an intriguing perspective on the problems of our own day. Gunther does not overlook the enthusiastic support that Hitler (and to some extent, Mussolini) could command among the Arabs, whose despisal of Jews was hardly inferior to Hitler’s. And the insight only begins with this. I regard it as a must-read, even today, for anyone who is trying to understand the complexities of the Near and Middle East.
Incidentally, it is a matter of record that Iran, Egypt, Iraq and Syria all saw, or nearly saw, pro-Axis coups that required Allied intervention. Although Egypt was nominally a British protectorate, the degenerate King Farouk was a notorious Fascist sympathizer, and many leading citizens shared his desire for the Axis to win the war. Among these were a number of young officers of the Egyptian army who planned a pro-Axis putsch when Rommel’s Afrika Korps came within reach of Cairo. These officers included Nasser (who ironically went on to overthrow Farouk in the Nasser-Naguib coup of 1952).
Hope this helps.
Hi Tannenberg,
you cite good points to illustrate the problem.
Now, does anyone out there have any idea what will make the Islamofacists become a “religion of peace”?
Doc
If you peruse some of the posts of the link there are several different muslims responding to commentary by other non-muslims. NOT ONE of the muslims gives any indication that he thinks there is anything wrong with the way muslims are behaving around the world. Words like “I hate you to the core of my heart”, and “Islam is the most perfect religion on Earth” are the way they all describe their religion.
I think that tells you all you need to know about Islam’s teachings.I had the impression that what we call “arabic numerals” were in use before Islam came on the scene. In looking for some sources I ran across this interesting article which puts a whole different perspective on the subject.
Dr. Jeff, in response to your question, Islam will not and cannot become a bona-fide religion of peace.
Its definition of peace is the definition you could expect of any totalitarian. To these folk, peace is not the absence of conflict. It is, instead, the absence of OPPOSITION.
Their reasoning is simple. If there is no opposition, naturally there can be no conflict, and thus there will be peace! So eliminate all opposition (overt and potential both), and the problem is solved.
Very neat, what?
The “religion of peace” thing is a mistranslation, whether inadvertent or otherwise. The real meaning is “religion of submission”. Does that make things clearer?
OK, I almost added another post last night, but didn’t.
Short version, beat them, shoot them, bury them in pig sh_t and whatever else it takes to get them to submit to civilized behavior.
btw Catman, please don’t confuse religion with faith - they’re very different.
Doc
I walked away from all organized religion, even the one I was raised in, a long time ago. Do I have a belief and faith in God, oh yes. Do I follow anyone’s packaged ideas about how to practice my faith, no. In organized religion, it doesn’t seem to take very long before someone finds a line in a holy book that justifies (to them at least) committing some kind of gross injustice or atrocity.
All religions save possibly Buddahism have been deeply stained by violence and injustice over the centuries. Most of them have outgrown the really gross behavior such as the Inquisition. Now, we come to Islam. Islam stands alone among the major religions of the world as currently promoting religious war and other atrocities. Today I noted in the news that a school teacher in Afghanistan was beheaded by remnants of the Taliban for teaching girls. What can be said about a religion that endorses such behavior? What words are vile enough to describe them?
If there are truly “moderate” Muslims in the world, they must feel great shame at the behavior of their coreligionists and great fear at what the rest of us are likely to do. We will not attack them, because of their religion or ours, we will attack them to prevent the Islamists from attacking us. Bombings, beheadings, general mayhem, the towers in New York, we cannot tolerate letting such people continue their work.
Doc
01/03/2006 at 11:19 AM
