yeah, what they said
on 09/03/2008 at 03:44 PM
And that quote gave me thought. It is correct. Where we have held our heads up, where we have tried to keep ourselves above the sort of depravity/insanity the other side indulges in, they have been gnawing away at our ankles. And the most impressive statue depends on its ankles to support it. We try to show the light on the hill, they put on a blindfold. We’ve got to tear that blindfold off, even if it means going in to their sphere to get to it.
And I hope somebody reads it at my place as well. I did a small thing just now, and I hope it hits home somewhere.
Palinize: to slander and caricature a working-class female public figure for the noble advancement of liberalism. Victor Davis Hanson
Comment 2 - Chris forgot to mention that his blog is at http://cmblake6.wordpress.com/ .
Thanks Drew. ‘Preciate your link!
I suppose the only consolation in seeing all this muckracking is that they must be running scared. A few months back Mccain was seen as an unlikely winner. Now he seems to have leapfrogged the dhimmis and they are desperate to undermine him. I don’t see this playing well with the ordinary Joe and Jane on the street somehow and I think it will bite Bollock Obama on the arse.
Why does anyone here find this surprising? It has it’s roots going back roughly 25 years. Possibly more, depending on how you want to consider it. This kind of sickness is what finally drove me away from the Democrats and “liberals”. I have found much more honest liberalism and freedom on the conservative/libertarian side than I have seen on the side of liberals or progressives in a long time. Liberals actually behaving in a liberal fashion ended a long time ago.
These kinds of personal attacks are nothing new to me. I first witnessed them in the late 60’s and early 70’s. At that time, there was still room for dissent and the use of fact. That degenerated over time. Much later on, I will never forget when I was with a group of Hollywood Liberals (literally) and made the mistake of trying to inject some factual material into a discussion of Bill Clinton. The reaction immediately began with name calling and quickly progressed, in about about 30 seconds, to the point that I was afraid of being physically attacked. I know you’ve all heard this story before, but sometimes, I just think it needs retelling. I think it stands as a warning of an evil spreading through our society.
I will enjoy a healthy debate anytime. Bring it on. Debate is an essential part of our Republic. However I insist that it actually be a debate, not a bar fight.
These guys are obviously getting worse and worse. I was shocked at the sudden vehemence of the liberals attacking Governor Palin within minutes of her nomination for Vice President. I don’t know if the proper simile is Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. Both sick, both destroyers of human beings “for the greater good.” Now, the question is how to deal with them. Can we say that most Dems are a lot nicer than this? Are the Dems and liberals becoming a baying crowd with the scent of blood? I hope the former is true. I have literally seen flaming barricades in the streets and I hope I never see them again. Yes I know I’ve said that before too. It’s something that should never be forgotten. I don’t care what side you’re on, this is not something any sane person wants for the streets of the United States. A few days ago, there was some stuff about incest and Palin never being pregnant, so disgusting, that even the Kos moderator said it was time to back off. If I remember right, I picked up the lead from Michelle Malkin.
HuffPo is usually better than Kos, but that’s not always saying much. I scan and sometimes read HuffPo articles, but the Daily Kos I just plain avoid. It’s just too sickening. I hate to think where the thinking of the folks at Daily Kos could lead. I’m running out of ways to say that they’re sick and dangerous, but I’m sure the folks here could come up with more.
On a happier note, I think that there is some hope for a few, a very few, of the HuffPo people to join our side. They may ultimately help to tip the balance at some critical time in the future.
I was shocked at the sudden vehemence of the liberals attacking Governor Palin within minutes of her nomination for Vice President. I don’t know if the proper simile is Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. Both sick, both destroyers of human beings “for the greater good.” Now, the question is how to deal with them.
There ARE ways, but you’ve got to have the stomach for it. And don’t think I’m joking. You do know there will be riots and violence when Obambi loses. Be ready to defend your life with lethal force, because they’re preparing it for you.
As for the bolded, either works. They’re much the same.And yes, LyndonB, they are. They know that their ONLY chance is fear. They’re beat, fair and square. But they don’t KNOW that “fair and square” philosophy. As the NAZIs, as the Stalinists, whatever they need do to win.
Don’t worry about my stomach. I know there’s a time for machine guns and napalm. I just hope that it never becomes necessary to use those ways. Such methods could easily turn us into that which we despise. When does a preemptive strike against those who would move to violence, cross the line into political/racial/religious/social suppression? How far should dissidents be allowed to go before the troops are sent in? Voicing disagreement? Starting a political movement? Demonstrating? Violence? I don’t think any one can disagree that if it comes to violence, it’s time to hit back and hit back hard. The critical problem is that the other three stages can either become a natural progression toward violence or an education for the rest of us.
Our political system is pretty well geared towards heading off the last stage and allows us to incorporate new ideas when and if the time comes. An easy example of successful change, are the Jim Crow laws. Once the unchallenged law of the land, the demonstrations of Dr. King and others eventually got our attention enough that we had to acknowledge the humanity of Afro Americans/Blacks/Negros. In that case, it reached the stage of public demonstrations, the last stage before armed rebellion. There were some who were violent, the Watts Riots come to mind, but I don’t think anyone has anything good to say about them. Had Dr. King not kept his followers non-violent, there would have been a lot of blood shed. Blood that didn’t have to be shed. If that happened I don’t think he would have or could have achieved his goals. All that would have been achieved would have been a racial blood bath. At 8:1 odds, you know how it would have ended.
If we consider the disgusting fools of Code Pink, are they even worth attacking? I’ve noticed that they don’t seem to get much press anymore. Someday, they’ll be nothing more than a footnote regarding unkind, ill mannered and misguided dissent committed by boorish people.
There are dangerous people that must be dealt with, no doubt about it. However even most of the mouthy sickies at Daily Kos are nothing more than mouthy sickies. The rest of the world will move on and they’ll be left behind.
The violent dissidents mostly seem to meet bad ends. Yes I know there’s Obama’s professor buddy, but he really is an exception. There are those such as the Symbionese Liberation Army. Basically a small group of thugs who met the end they deserved, very very dead. They claimed to be fighting for racial equality. The only things they ever fought for were sex and money.
The Black Panthers were an interesting group. Originally founded to claim their basic rights especially the Second Amendment (no kidding, look it up). they almost immediately devolved into a subversive and violent group. For example, one of the “highlights” of the group was Huey Newton. Read his book, Soul on Ice. In it, he brags about being a serial rapist of white women. What a “hero” of the revolution, what an inspiring example to follow. Eventually, most of the founders of the group were either killed or jailed. Interestingly, the women they left behind took over and made a pretty good community help program out of the Panthers. Unfortunately, when the surviving men got out of prison, they took over and the Panthers became nothing more than drug dealing thugs. Some are now dead, some jailed, some?
A while ago, I read Robert McNamera’s book; In Retrospect. What finally got him to question his actions in Viet Nam weren’t the demonstrators and the rioters. He didn’t listen to them or much care what the police and national guard did to restore order. What got his attention was one man, outside McNamera’s office window, who sat down and burned himself to death.
So, here we have a number of people who were all dissidents. Some were successful, moving our society forward and some were not. They all practiced their dissent in different ways. How do we choose?
P.S. Someday, I promise to post a short and succinct commentary.
I hear you DJ, I hear you.When? When you know there’s no other way. When is that? How do you know? You just do. Or you die because you waited too long. Do you wait for the first strike and hope you survive it, or do you “read their tell”? We may wish harm to none, but that none particularly includes our SELF.
You’ve read the thing, “You have the right to swing your arm as much as you wish, but that right stops at the end of my nose”?
Remember this, if you wait too long they will overwhelm with momentum. It is far harder to stop something in motion, than it is to stop it from moving in the first place.You remind me of me, Doc. One of my son’s friends once referred to me as “an old hippie.” My son corrected him thus: “No, he’s a YOUNG hippie. He’s just about as young as it’s possible to be and still have been there when it was happening.”
In some ways I consider that high praise. In others it bothers me feeling like I’ve been lumped in with Bill Ayers.
The problem as I see it is that our freedoms are being taken incrementally. Nobody is willing to go to war over whether or not someone can smoke his pot where he likes. I certainly won’t, and I’ve been a pot smoker since about 1975. Nobody is willing to go to war over seatbelt laws either, or random drunk stops on holiday weekends, and those are much more obvious abrogations of liberty. But they’re petty. They aren’t worth getting pissed off about, much less killing people over.
And because that’s the tactic being used, it shifts the real outrage from “I can’t be made to do ______________” (specific, but petty) to “You can’t force me to stop my life at any moment so I can jump through your petty little hoops before I can go on.” That’s where the true outrage lies, but that’s a vague, highly subjective judgment and therefore a sucky rallying cry.
If the fighters never rally, the response is piecemeal and gets cut apart quickly.
I was barely too young to actually be part of any of the riots, barely too young to go to Vietnam. Seeing them on live TV and knowing the place my mom goes grocery shopping could turn into that, or knowing my oldest brother could one day be the guy on TV being beaten by the cops… that was plenty bad enough for me, thanks. I don’t need to see it again to be convinced. But on the other hand, what choice are you being given? At what point does “trying to avoid open warfare” turn into “throwing away the chance to choose your ground”?
Indeed, GOF. At what point, as well, do you find a spot to decide, ”This far and no further”?
Blake and Grumpy, you’re both right. Go read my profile. I think you’ll find it interesting. The loss of freedom you’re talking about is the “Salami Theory.” A little slice here, a little slice there, pretty soon, no salami. I’ve tried to explain to a lot of people the situation we’re facing and almost every time, I’ve been dismissed as a paranoid freak. It’s very discouraging. You folks have read a lot of my writing. You decide what kind of paranoid freak I am. You’ve also welcomed my ideas even if you weren’t completely with them. Thank you.
I was old enough for Viet Nam. When I speak of seeing flaming barricades, I didn’t see them as a tourist. I know what it was like first hand and I never want to see Americans fight Americans like that again.
What convinced me to oppose the war were my friends who did serve, who came back (one didn’t) and told me to stay out of it anyway I could. I give you my word that even though I opposed our involvement in Viet Nam, I never dishonored either my friends nor any other serviceman. I also give you my word that I never committed a violent act in the course of my protests. I saw violent acts done, but I never engaged in them. What is little known is that there were many of us, myself included, who worked to stop the violent acts of others. I will even personally claim to have stopped one bombing. It’s not in the histories, but I did it none the less.
Blake, I did put my ass on the line. Even though the cause may appear quite different (really not, but that’s another discussion), if need be I will put my ass on the line again. Whether you always agree with me or not, when I make a commitment, I make a commitment. As Jefferson said: “The tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots.” I understand that. At one point, I was almost killed when a tear gas canister, fired from a 12ga missed my head my inches. I was running away at the time. If it had hit me, it would have hit the back of my head. There were a lot of things done by both sides in that era that just shouldn’t have happened. We all know pretty much what they were. By the way, I know personally that much of the news reporting from that era was inaccurate. Some things were grossly exaggerated, other things were left out entirely. Nothing’s really changed in that respect. It’s been 40 years now, I know we can never forget, but I hope we can move on. Now you also know that while I may disagree, even violently with what fools like the Daily Kos or Code Pink say and sometimes do, I will not call them traitors.
On the other side of my opinions about war, was my father. My father was a decorated WWII veteran of the Navy. When it was time to fight, he enlisted and never doubted that he had made the right decision. When I was a small child many of his surviving friends would come by our house, or we would visit their house and they would talk about what they lived through. If you want to know, look up the USS Suwanee at the battle of Leyte Gulf. I learned at his knee what our servicemen face. The histories I’ve seen leave out a lot of the details my father and his friends talked about. You can imagine the details.
Anyway guys, that’s a good piece of my history. That’s what formed my opinion about our government, war, and political dissent and those who serve to protect us. I know that not all of it will sit right with you, but I will not lie about it and I hope that you will continue to accept me and my ideas.
Yours truly,
Doc
The “Kos” and other such sites are nothing more than online urinals.
The flush lever is the appropriate remedy.
Doc, I agree that we should not use the term “traitors” in connection with the specimens who hang around those online pisspots. After all, you never need a traitor if you have a pliable fool at hand....
Jeff, there ain’t no doubt in my military mind there is going to be blood. Doesn’t matter which way this election goes, there will be blood. I do have respect for those of true conviction. What I do not respect is those who tamper with our nation to destroy it from within. The ACLU, for example, was founded with that express purpose stated by its founder. And McCarthy was actually correct, communists HAD infiltrated our public sphere with that reason. Your “Salami Theory” to an absolute T. And they’ve slid it in an inch at a time. The problem is if we don’t stop it soon, we’re getting to the unlubed area. And that ain’t the way I swing.
09/04/2008 at 05:53 PM
