Why can’t a woman boss be like a man? (don’t know. cause they’re built different?)
Yes, In England, after the socialists dumbed down the exams and put the emphasis on course work (exams-boys better, course work girls better) the girls under performed less than boys. When did you last have your car/fridge/computer fixed by a female? As luck would have it women are different to men (real ones anyway) and personally I find strong confident women appealing, how I would take being bossed about by a female boss I dont know, then I dont respond well to anyone who cannot do their own job but respod well to equals and above!
Posted by Chris Edwards
09/25/2008 at 02:52 PM
Talking about a subject like this is so hard because you don’t want to say something that men will take offense to, even if what you say is true. But the simple answer to the question is that ALL women consider other women rivals and if they tell you something different, they are lying. Whereas men are men, much simpler creatures, and far more black and white and therefore easier to deal with whether a boss or a boyfriend.
I’ve had two female bosses and I hated both of them. They were exceptionally qualified to hold the positions they did, in fact, the most qualified in the office, but working for them sucked. The words petty and vindictive come to mind. Oh nothing overt that you could even discuss with them and certainly nothing that would rise to a credible complaint, but women know when another woman is being crappy, men don’t notice the little things so much, mostly because they are never directed to men in the first place. Men might lie to you constantly, but any woman worth her salt knows it and adjusts accordingly. Women won’t lie to your face very often, but they’ll set you up so it looks like you lied about them or someone else. When you work for a woman, you never know when the knife will get inserted in your back.
My last female boss was an elected official, a woman in her mid-60s. She was childless and, I think, frustrated at that fact. She loved to surround herself with young college-age men and twenty-somethings (the worker bees) and was always finding ways to advance their careers or get them into a good college or grad school, she even paid tuition for a couple. The women in the office, OTOH, were drones to the Queen Bee. The guys could get away with the most outrageous things and say the most outrageous things and she would smile and shrug, boys will be boys. The women were always getting read the riot act over the least little thing. The guys loved her, the women felt like they had to walk on egg shells around her all the time.
Ok I will throw my two cents worth in - the men I worked for/with are a special situation (soldiers) - on the whole, ok to work for and with. A lot of sexual talk, innuendo and just plain bs - a few outright jerks and lazy ones and a few who were truly great, most ok. I worked for one woman in the Army situation, whose boss was also a woman - worst time of my employed life. My boss did not do her work (I was the clerk/typist, she was the manager - 1st civilian positions for a former Army run entity) - she had to sign papers to ‘take possession’ of the equipment and also to change the signature cards at our supply etc, then send them ‘up the chain’ - comes our next trip to supply, the office ‘gals’ managed to talk me into going. Filled up the cart with crappola (all we needed was paper and ink - always - in a 4 room office whatever were we going to do with 6 ash trays) - get to checkout and low and behold Ms Manger’s name was not on the card, nor any of the ‘gals’ - big surprize, she hadn’t bothered to do her job. Had I held firm and stayed behind, they would have been idiots du jour - because my name and the NCO who ran it when it was Army were the only two names on the card. But boy did she run and oversee everyone else’s job. Finally a big blow up -involving 3 chains of commands - over a lie about me. And I just got fed up - called the IG (my childrens’ godfather) and said stop it now. Apologies abounded, I went to a volunteer gig to get the bad taste out of my mouth (which was another woman who did knife me in the back) - and Ms Manager could not figure out why when she tried a lateral transfer - she didn’t get the job (oh did I tell you that the head of that command was a friend?!?)
I can tell you - of those bosses (and there were more) who were bad and or lied - it was the women and those were the times, all kinds of bs was put out about me. Only had one man attempt it - called me a liar to my face (at our first meeting) - I almost decked him - which of course was shortly after the above - I was known as a real ‘loose cannon’ - but alas with the IG in my back pocket - all they could do was b**** about me behind my back. Which they did, frequently.
I agree with P2P - women tend to see other women as rivals.
Hmm, this is one to think about. I’ve had several female bosses in the past. Never had a problem.
On the other hand, my wife works in a medical office. One doctor, male. Staff of half a dozen women, female office manager. The problems are never ending. Women are their own worst enemies.
I wrote several paragraphs that I’ve now deleted. But I think the whole thing is based on a few points:
* Men understand that sometimes you have to do the crap work. It’s not personal.
* Men usually give their job a higher life priority than their personal life. Women are frequently the other way around, especially in the lower paying career paths. Many men are simply stunned by the amount of job flexibility women get away with - “I can’t come in tomorrow I have an appointment” “I have to leave early today because X” “I can’t work after 3 on Tuesdays” etc - but that flexibility is always ignored when the Salary Inequity song gets sung.
* Men are direct with each other, sometimes tactlessly bluntly so. Deal with it. It’s not personal, it’s just how guys are. Women are oblique.
* Women are far more vengeful than men are. We might blow up over a problem, but when it’s settled it’s over. Women never forget, and usually get revenge. This keeps the Bitch Pot on slow boil forever.
* Men usually give their job a higher life priority than their personal life. Women are frequently the other way around, especially in the lower paying career paths. Many men are simply stunned by the amount of job flexibility women get away with - “I can’t come in tomorrow I have an appointment” “I have to leave early today because X” “I can’t work after 3 on Tuesdays” etc - but that flexibility is always ignored when the Salary Inequity song gets sung.
The only exception I take to this is that usually the men who don’t have to ask for time off for personal things have wives working somewhere else who do. In other words, men are let off the hook because women are supposed to do all the running around and get the kids to appts. or take care of family business the only time they can, during business hours. At least that has been my experience.
When our son was in 8th grade, we went thru a period where he had some behavior problems in school. I worked full time, my husband was in the Navy, but on shore duty and working a 7 am to 3 pm workday, I didn’t get home until nearly 7 pm. The school kept calling me at work and demanding I come in right away to “deal” with yet another day of acting up by our son. After leaving work and driving the 20 miles to the school 4 times in less than 2 weeks, I finally said to them, “why don’t you ever call his Dad, he has more influence over him in these situations than I do and he can leave work easier than I can, you are going to cost me my job.” Their answer, “we never call the fathers, they are the breadwinners.”
Sara, I never said it was without reason! You are correct in that women are almost always going to be the first contact people for family reasons. And that could be Ok, really. But let’s understand that, and accept that it’s part of the compensation package. Maybe it could be extended to single parents of either sex, or if either the mother or father was the “designated contact”. That seems fair to me. Of course, if I were the employer, I’d look for childless people to be my best employees.
Of course, if I were the employer, I’d look for childless people to be my best employees.
When I was in sales, my boss used to say, “give me a crew of all single moms and we’ll always have the highest volume of sales.” He said single moms, although sometimes more difficult to work around babysitters, sick kids, etc., still outproduced any other category of employee because they were far more motivated.
Childless people tend to be more self-centered than those with children, so I’m not sure they would put the job first. Well, unless they were one of those “noble” types, but they can be such pains in the ass, can’t they?
09/25/2008 at 03:26 PM
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