two views on suicide
on 04/15/2014 at 02:15 PM
What’s even worse is having a child...then your first ex taking away most, if not all, opportunities to make a relationship with a child. That’s what happened to my son and I. I was out of his life for well over ten years, then recently I sent him a card, telling him I loved him and missed him.
He emailed me back, but only for a short period, in which I learned he’s a store manager for GameStop somewhere in Обамаград, and he’s getting married in October. That’s all I know, I don’t know at this point if he’s shut me out again. I’ll just have to wait and see.
As far as his 63-year-old mother goes, well then, I’m sure God has a special plan just for her.I apologize - I took a personal emotional issue and left parts out. Indeed not everyone wants to be a parent or can be. And yes, it does not mean that they are selfish ‘from the start’ - I was taking her own words and it morphed into a generic people. So sorry.
Macker - I understand the divorce crappola - better then you know. I have tread a line, as an honest soul has been hard to do, with my ex - if I told the 2 older children the whole truth. But I realize (which most vindictive exs don’t) that if I did let the truth out - it would destroy the entire family - him, his father, the children and the grandchildren - and as a result me and my new family. So I keep my mouth shut and have since he beat me in Germany and I realized I had to get the hell out of dodge as fast as I could. And what I’ve found out in the years since make that event look like a walk in the park. I now thank God that I (and the kids) got out alive - and sane.
And Peiper I know what happened with the care taking. Life is about fine lines and everyone’s life is there business. As I opened with.
But as Miss Anne has a ‘right’ to end it - and blame it on any damn thing - I also have the right to promote never giving up. I was born with enough against me that the phrase - ‘too early in my life, it was too late’ (from an author) that the prognosis that I was going to die was believable. But now 59 years later - I have faced some really horrible things in my life besides my health and I see things (most especially doctors) differently. I have had a suicide attempt in the immediate family - it is never the answer and devastates so many people.
And so I will never give up and I will never give in. And I will continue to comment against this - suicide/euthanasia is ok push, as I see it as a complete and disgusting lack of how meaningful life is and why we are meaningful to life.
Wardmom, well said as always but ... yes. Life can be meaningful for some. But for someone suffering for example, Locked in Syndrome, simply breathing is not life for that person.
I would agree that life is precious and life is meaningful. However ,, it is only so for some people. What about the unfortunates for whom life is even beyond your own very painful and personal experiences?
For some people, for many people, sadly, life is indeed disgusting and instead of meaningful it is meaningless. OK, perhaps in the personal case you mentioned of an attempted suicide of a family member, suicide was NOT the answer. I would not know and would have no right to make any judgement on that person, as you certainly were closer to them and the reasoning for the attempt.
However ... you go on to say that suicide is NEVER the answer when it so clearly is, the only answer for some people. Of course you have a right to “never give up.” I would never even suggest or hint otherwise. But you seem to suggest by what you say, that other people with issues you can not even imagine, perhaps should not have the right to, just plain “give up”.
Yes. I would imagine that a suicide does devastate the survivors. Although I can not claim him as a personal friend, I did personally know the late and great Faron Young. My office was in his building in Nashville. We had occasion to talk every now and then, and spend some time at the Hall of Fame coffee shop across the street. I used to play his records when I was a DJ and often we’d discuss the state of things in Country radio. But I can’t say we were close buddies. When some years after moving from Nashville to Ca., I was very much saddened and somewhat depressed to learn he had killed himself. Even all these years later I remember him fondly and his music and our (usually brief) conversations. I still have no idea why he made that choice. I wasn’t aware of any health issue when I knew him and the news brief I got didn’t mention any reasons. But I can’t say for certain that he should not have done it, because I have no idea what drove him to it.
You would say I believe, that there could be no reasonable excuse, while I would argue that there may well have been. You would approve (if I understand correctly) legislation and a ban on assisted suicide for anyone outside your own circle.The devastation survivors feel is nothing compared to a victim of serious ill health, gasping and choking for every breath they take; and being told they can not or should not end it for the reasons you state. While the life of the loved one is precious to his or her survivors, in many cases it is less so to the person suffering agonies we do not, and pray never will.
I have no argument with people like yourself, who are opposed to euthanasia/assisted suicide.
My argument is that people who hold those views, should not try and legislate against it for other people they can not possibly know. I can’t imagine forcing life on a person who has in their own mind and words, decided they have had enough.Does that mean I am in favor of suicide in all cases? No.
Absolutely not! There have been a large number of suicides among some very young kids in their teens and even early teens, here in the UK. Mostly young girls and a very few young boys. I find that sad beyond expression and depressing as well. I see their photos in the papers it seems like every month there is at least one or two. And it never stops getting to me. I look at those young faces and wonder why nobody saw things coming or why they didn’t talk to mom or a school counselor or best friend.I’m not trying to change your mind on what you believe for yourself and those closer to you. I’m merely trying to express the view that for a lot of people, death sadly is the only way. And for whatever reason they choose, because no matter what horrid experiences we have gone through in life, we have not experienced theirs. Just because we have had pain and loss and have been devastated by things, still doesn’t mean we have walked in the shoes or been in mind of the person asking for release.
Please know that even if I do not see things thru your eyes on this subject, I nevertheless have the greatest respect for your as I always have.
Your servant as always ma’am
jdIn the US - the highest suicide rate currently is young men ages 15 to 24. Sadly it has been so for many years. They are more successful than girls because they tend to use messier, i.e. deadlier methods.
I have just seen death and pain and ill health from the inside - Nothing that they (the Doctors) told me, has come true at all. Bad times and even pain - but you know what - they passed.
I am ok - with suicide - if that’s what you (generic, a person) wants - but to publicly extoll it - or to legislate euthanasia/assisted suicide is what I do not want ever. It creates this - meaningless of life. And it can lead to ‘unintended’ consequences.
It is ok to have different stances - it leads to interesting discussions. And I have always been one who needs to see both sides (really, even if I don’t sound like it) - before I make a decision.
It’s just that IF I had listened to the Doctors - I would have had no life - glad that the most important Doctor in my Life (my Dad)and a social worker - didn’t see things the same way and gave me the chance to fight back. So I’ve been fighting death and the death culture all my life.
Hope for a better future, isn’t such a bad thing.
And I’m living proof - that Doctors can be wrong.
04/15/2014 at 07:44 PM
