Through The Looking Glass
Hmmm, green paint, poor spelling, no tagger skills. Most likely a muslim did the vandalism.
Now it is beginning. This is the beginning of the anti Moslem backlash that is forming. I don’t favor religious bigotry or religious war, but given the state of relations between the Islamic community in the U.S. and everyone else in the U.S. it will happen. CAIR inflames more than they help and the rest of the Moslem community either seems ambivalent or is actively working on damaging us (eg. the Flying Imams). It’s hard not to feel that Moslems are pushing on us and many are ready to push back. When it does happen, America will be enmeshed in the first full scale religious war of our history.
Even though religious freedom and tolerance are central to our American way of life, we also have our traditions of racial and religious bigotry. Prime examples are the Mormon wars of the 19th Century, the KKK (they didn’t much care for Catholics and Jews as well as Afro Americans), and the Japanese internment camps of World War II. These are all things in our history. We have learned from our mistakes and used the knowledge to build a better society, but the undercurrents that gave rise to such bigotry haven’t completely gone away. In this blog, I have predicted a vicious religious war so often that some think I’m in favor of it. I’m not. The thought of it depresses me. I just don’t see any way of changing the course we’re on and without a major change, the war will occur. If it can’t be stopped, we need to get it over with quickly and decisively to minimize the attendant blood bath. The damage to our society will be severe. After the Moslems, who next? Jews? Catholics? Mormons? Wiccans? Once we have started on the road of killing in the name of faith, it will be very hard to return to the hard won state of religious freedom and tolerance that is so central to our way of life.
Interestingly enough, a Moslem could have done the paint job to stir sympathy and guilt among the “liberals”.
Dear Anonymous-
Your flag seems to indicate some sort of loyalty to Canada. - I think is speak for most Americans when I say: “We could care less about what you think. So shut your pie hole and be grateful that we don’t come up there and take you Maple Syrup away you jealous prick.”
I’ll bet you’re from Quebec.
Better watch it Skipper, or Anonymous and his friends at CAIR will go and try to shut you down like they had a part in doing on Vilmar.. Although hopefully Hosting Matters has more of a backbone considering all the people they host..
I don’t want to see BMEWS silenced..
Hey Anonymous, this is a debating and venting club. If you have an idea to contribute, do it. If all you can do is call names, please don’t waste our time or yours. Oh yes, I assume that you are what passes for a modern Liberal, aka Progressive. It’s observing such subtle debaters as yourself that drove me out of the Democrat/Liberal side of politics to make a new home with the conservatives.
Well, anonymus, when I last visited Canada, I noticed that Canada had both hot and cold running water with a very high fecal content. I also noticed that they still were killing their aboriginal people on a fairly regular basis. So STFU. You’re not welcomed here. Why don’t you pop on over to the daily kos for your daily dose of indoctrination.
Well, anonyass, when I last visited Canada, I was amazed at how much BEAUTIFUL LAND is wasted on supporting so few people. And some of those people are just like you. Hyper, callous, wannabe french communist separatists. Who have all of the attention span of a lighting bolt and are frustrated that your tiny, whiny little voice counts for nothing.
Posted by Mojomatt
01/24/2007 at 10:17 PM
Anon-
You know thats the type of attitude that is wrong with America (you can do no wrong and if people point out your Enourmous deficincies you dont take their persepective into account)
Land of the free indeed!Seems to me that your statement jives pretty clearly, does it not? In a nutshell, Americans do what we want, and “F” the other guy? Land of the free is absolutely correct. You just have a rather ignorant way of putting it.
So was the point of all that, letting us know that the rest of the world disapproves of what America is doing? I, for one, and very interested to know what our ENORMOUS deficiencies are? What horrible things are we doing that we continue to do, and thumb our nose at the world?
Dont call me a liberal and dont define me with ism’s. Im above that, I am way left of center on most issues.
So...you are above labels and “ism’s”, but not above petty name calling? And I am afraid you ARE a liberal, your statement that you are “way left of center” DEFINES you as a liberal for the purposes of our political discussions.
For christ sake your president is NEO-LIBERAL in his economic platform
so understand the terms before you attempt to define themI think, again, you need to heed your own advice, sir. Economic liberalism, as defined by Webster, is not political liberalism. For the purposes of our conversation, left of center political views ARE liberal views. Its the way things work in this country.
And one final question, just how is Saddam Hussein a saint in comparison to G.W. Bush? I am very interested to hear specifics, since I am blissfully unaware of any mass murder commited by our current president.
OK Anon, now you’ve got me curious. Where in my comment do I espouse hate? When I talk about CAIR inflaming so many or when I point out that the U.S. has a history of racial and religious bigotry that we’ve (mostly) outgrown the hard way? Perhaps when I say that the conflict should fought quickly and decisively? I suspect that you didn’t read all of my post - here’s the end of paragraph 2, it may help enlighten you on my position.
“In this blog, I have predicted a vicious religious war so often that some think I’m in favor of it. I’m not. The thought of it depresses me. I just don’t see any way of changing the course we’re on and without a major change, the war will occur. If it can’t be stopped, we need to get it over with quickly and decisively to minimize the attendant blood bath. The damage to our society will be severe. After the Moslems, who next? Jews? Catholics? Mormons? Wiccans? Once we have started on the road of killing in the name of faith, it will be very hard to return to the hard won state of religious freedom and tolerance that is so central to our way of life.”
To say that a precariously balanced rock will roll down hill is not to hate the rock or the hill, merely to point out a likely outcome of the current situation. I await your answer, do you have the stuff to really analyze and debate? Have you got a way to get the Jihadists and Islamists to quiet down so that the rest of us can go back to our lazy boy chairs?
Hmmmm. Timothy McVeigh is one - out of how many? Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Millions of terrorists? Recent investigations seem to point to McVeigh having been financed with money from overseas. Guess where?
Let’s start with Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian. Who killed Bobby Kennedy. I don’t recall Kennedy ever doing anything to hurt Muslims.
Arafat? Bin Laden? Zaqawri? Zawahiri? 9/11? Munich, 1972? Achille Lauro? London tube? Madrid trains? Paris burning? The list is endless. Do any of these jog your memory at all?
The only “joke” here is you, sir. You defend that which is indefensible. You call people names and expect respect. Your references to “colored people” and women suggests a deep-seated hatred of America - probably due to sitting out in the frozen cold in Winnipeg wishing you were further South.
As I stated in the original post, I don’t condone such vandalism but my observation is that tempers are rising and people are getting angrier and angrier at Muslims. Believe it or not, I had absolutely nothing to do with that. They brought it on themselves and it is up to the Muslim community to demonstrate publicly that theirs is a “religion of peace”. If they don’t, acts like this will only get worse.Your blind hatred and abusive language only serve to demonstrate why the hatred is rising. Instead of trying to help moderate voices tone down the rhetoric, you only throw fuel on the fire and make it worse.
You are only encouraging hate among the people here in case you didn’t notice. The only thing that is “validated” here is the reason why people are so angry at Muslims. The reason is - people like you, sir.
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!! To do so only encourages them to keep flinging their feces. This camel cock sucker derives it’s self importance from your commentary. The more you tell it that it is a fucking brainless retard (no matter how true it is), the more justified it feels about it’s existence. It doesn’t realize that it’s class of mucus-laden diarrhea will be the first to be beheaded if the goat-fucking islamist terrorists get to install sharia law in the U.S.
That is if it hasn’t already started paying the jizya or licking it’s Imam’s asshole in dhimmitude…
Posted by MOMinuteman
01/25/2007 at 01:43 AM
Skipper: I grant you’re right about “not every Muslim,” but the question remains: WHY do the so-called “moderate” Muslims remain silent, WHY do they not march by the millions, WHY do they not turn in their “radical” brethren to the Feds? Their silence tacitly supports them. In fact, they still believe that Jews and Christians are to be given the three choices (convert, accept jizya/pay the tax, or die) and that infidels (all other non-believers) only two (convert or die).
Islam is a Satanic cult which can no longer exist. Islam delenda est.To Anonymous. The Skipper put it the best so far. In this increasingly polarized world full of people either too apathetic to see the hand writing on the wall or too selfish to take a stand, people will allow others to dictate how and who to worship, dress, what foods to eat, what music not to listen to, what book to read and so on. These people will use both secular and temporal power to keep people in line. And in this case they are flat butt wrong. So in this instance you are either for them or against them. Not us.
Posted by Mojomatt
01/25/2007 at 06:48 AM
Anonymoose, you got this all wrong, just look at the picture. This is just some viral advertising for “American Idol” nothing more.
If you wanted some real vandalism, go see the Christian churches defaced or destroyed in Middle East recently.
Macker, you ask why so many moderate muslims remain silent? My guess would be Fear. The same kind of fear that caused so many Catholics in Ireland remained silent when the IRA terrorized Northern Ireland; fear or retribution.
Anonymous, you try to portray yourself as intelligent but you revert to gutter language in your comments. If you want folks to take you seriously, at least try to convey your message in a dignified way and keep it out of the gutter.
rudebadger you are exactly correct. The destruction, under UN auspices, of Orthodox Monasteries in Kosovo is a good example. Monasteries which predated the moslem invasion…
The invasion and destruction of Christian holy sites - truly holy sites - in Jeruslalem, Constantinople - the list goes on and on.
Lets not forget the original cause of the crusades - it was the moslem invasions.
But with willing dupes and dopes in the media, the moslems are always the aggrieved party.
One day we will wake up. Hopefully.
Posted by armadefoc
01/25/2007 at 09:08 AM
Why all the fuss?
In many if not most Muslim countries, mosques are not regarded as holy places. They’re merely meeting places for the faithful. That helps to explain why they’re used so often as armories and storage points for explosives and ammunition.
Still, we Americans should carefully direct our anger. If a particular mosque is shown to be a nest of subversion and terrorism, then level it. It loses its “holy status” once it becomes a combat asset. Even the Geneva Convention supports that.
I’m getting tired of hearing from the “Religion of the Perpetually Insulted”. The USA is different from the various shithole countries most of these clowns come from. We welcome those who wish to be Americans and assimilate. The others who wish to turn us into “Texasistan” or “New Yorkistan” are not going to win.
We can’t can’t allow our good manners to be our death sentence.
Meanwhile, I continue to stockpile ammunition of military caliber.
Posted by MAJ Mike
01/25/2007 at 09:34 AM
Skipper sounds like you touched a nerve with that crazy Hoser! His grasp of English is a bit ropey. I find it hard to take people seriously when they stoop to invective and as BobF puts it the language of the gutter. I don’t condone this sort of vandalism but I am not surprised by it. Similar things are happening here in the UK but the MSM are reluctant to report it.
People are sick to death of the “religion of peace” They have been responsible for the overwhelming majority of terrorist outrages around the world. Bob I am not convinced of the argument that fear is the reason most muslims maintain their silence. I think that may well have been true in a small community like Northern Ireland, but from polls that I have seen in Britain a large percentage of muslims support terrorism and want the reintroduction of the Caliphate.
Skipper your picture reminds me of the feminist on some college campus (CA ?!?) who ranted and ranted on re: rape, sexual assualt and finally (because she couldn’t get a response) vandalized her own car. . . Of course the msm silenced most of the resulting trial because they still hold that most men (other than fine upstanding liberal (girly)men) are horney pigs just waiting to attack the next woman walking by. [templates of racism, sexism, and homophobia - remember them always]
I vote for a muslim who did this to incite riot (and liberal simpering pc guilt ‘laws’). This actually should be fun to watch - a vastly black population against the largest American muslim population. Come on, the blacks up there are still shoving down our throats, oops, promoting affirmative action. I doubt that they are the least bit interested in handing over the oppressed, racist reins to the muslims.
Wonder who will be the last one standing up there.
On this vein, as we drive north quite often now (returning our youngest to her college) we pass one of two ‘mosques’ on I75 in OH (the other is slightly north of where we exit). I’ve often thought of putting a huge sign - lan astaslem (I will not submit) just off the edge of their land. To me, it makes a much better and more eloquent point.
A-nonymouse is either a Quebecer or a Canadian-based Muslim whose English is not so good. Nor is his thinking, of course.
During WWII, when the US interned Japanese, there was very very little violence toward them and their young men signed up in droves to fight. White America’s view of racial collegiality was off-base, tho there were a number of Japanese Issei and Nisei spies in America, territories and protectorates in the Pacific; but it seems that Islamic colligiality is quite strong and overcomes any alligience felt by most Muslims to any western nation.
If American Muslims are afraid, they need to use the American system to protect them. Speaking out against the darkness in their fellow Muslim’s souls is the right, and courageous, thing to do. Americans have been risiking death for liberty since before the Boston Tea Party, and that little kerfuffle in the 1770’s was pretty damned bloody for a while.In the Koran, in the Sura called the Spider there are these words.
“He that fights for Allah’s cause fights for himself. Allah does not need his creatures’ help. As for those that have faith and do good works, We shall cleanse them of their sins and reward them according to their noblest deed.”
Now does this sound like they read their own book (terrorists)?
In a works based concept they are basing their actions on Wahabism. Not the Koran.
Posted by Mojomatt
01/25/2007 at 05:57 PM
Our anonymous Canadian seems to have no stomach for debate. I thought he might be going somewhere with his “sheeple” approach, but it just devolved into more name calling. Gagh.
Lousy spelling, poor grammar and punctuation, yup, a real shining intellect.As I said, I used to be considered a lefty radical - no kidding. However, in the end, I realized that my fellow radicals, such as Tom Hayden, were no more interested in “Power to the People” than they were in having sex change operations. It was all about power and manipulation, not about empowering the common man. I finally had to take a real look at neo cons and the Reaganites to see where the real empowerment of individuals was honored. The final break of my identification with liberalism was when I was almost physically attacked by a Clintonite Liberal for daring to say that Bill Clinton had met the legal requirement for impeachment when he lied about Monica Lewinsky while under oath. At least with conservatives I can have a decent debate that might help both of us figure out what we want and what might just be best for our country.
As I read all of your comments, I see specific instances and principles cited. I find quotes from the Koran and serious consideration of historic precedent. Yes, I find much to admire among the “Conservatives”, who are functionally much more liberal and accepting of differing opinions than those who call themselves “Liberal” or “Progressive”.
Dr Jeff - on top of all that, he is probably Fwench!
Posted by armadefoc
01/25/2007 at 06:32 PM
As usual the left smuggly flips his nose and swiches away, As usual there is no back up info. And, as I have observed, shrillness is inversely proportional to message content.
Posted by Mojomatt
01/25/2007 at 08:38 PM
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