The Gathering Storm
Oh man the feminazis will be descending on South Dakota - I pitty all the nice people there. Trying to promote the crap that every woman believes in, has had and can’t live without abortion. I’m figuring that the numbers are crap too, as I know only one person who ever had one and I’m not a spring chicken (and I lived for 3 years in CA).
ok, I guess being a woman, this particularly irks me. But this gem >“Bigots go home< How the hell does a thinking mind make abortion - racist - ?!? Man these idiots are so damn caught up in their ‘cause’ (of which I bet NONE have ever had one) that stupidity and nonsence is considered great speech. What is our country coming too? I’ve always said, if the ‘rebels without a pause’ would just accept what ‘strides’ they made, rather than to keep shoving the crap down everyone’s throat, life in America would be tolerable. But of late the morons have just kept screaming and yelling and filling the news with their idiocy - and the backlash isn’t going to be pretty at all. Kinda wonder if these fools are gonna like it at all - expect Taliban and repressive to become the new catch words of the leftest/libs/loonies.
For ages mothers risked their lives to give life to their babies. Now killing them is a sacred act, to be defended ... to the death?
Every magazine, newspaper & electronic media is stuffed with ads pimping me to buy the latest ultimate luxury item or technical gee-gaw. Children have got to be a nuisance in pursuit of this .... life?
When the Islamicists say that we are a decayed, soul-less, corpse running ever more franticly after a vulgar meaningless life—I rise up a say, “Hah! You don’t know the half of it!”
Posted by Oink
01/23/2006 at 08:35 AM
When the late Justice Brennan was mixing grade-school astronomy with SCOTUS decisions (the penumbra of the Constitution, indeed!), there were many who warned that Roe would sow dragon’s teeth, and so it has. “Settled law?” There were once those who howled that the Dred Scott decision was “settled law.” No man-made law is “settled,” nor can it be. The only settled laws are those of nature, those that are metaphysically given, and we can neither arrange such laws nor assign them to ourselves.
And once again I will say, woe to those who consider it civilized to slaughter their own descendents, especially as a matter of selfish, personal convenience.
I agree, Skipper, hoist the storm warnings.
The problem is more than just ‘settled’ law crap. Which by the way, the comparison to race is apropos. The problem is that this bogus decision pre-empts states rights (i.e. big government knows what’s best for you) to allow ‘conservative’ and/or thinking states to ban abortion. The actual decision also says between a woman and her doctor - which implicity leaves out, Planned Parenthood, politicians and the supremes themselves. More importantly, if abortion was ever presented to the voters (i.e. human beings) it would be voted down (as was the nefarious ERA). You can tell this is a lib/dem idea as it failed and is a dead beast and the only way to keep it alive is to keep repeating the ‘cliche’ of the day(like a good drone) over and over until those of us with brains are heaving in a corner somewhere. Can we say hypocrite?
The relationship between a mother and her unborn child is unique—and the word ‘unique’ fails to do it justice. I would love to be shown how it’s OK for her to kill the child for any reason. All I hear from Planted Parenthood is BS about the baby being “just DNA”—well WTF are you made out of?
Setting aside details like life vs. death, there’s a good strategic lesson here. If you get a political victory handed to you by fiat, leaving out the messy business of persuading people and voting, it’s not really a victory.
Posted by Oink
01/23/2006 at 11:08 AM
NO - the government has no business dictating to any citizen what that citizen can do with their own body, including recreational drugs, seat belts, abortions, helmets and any other individual choice. This should also largely extend to the family. When the law was passed here in California that a parent could go to jail for letting their kid ride a bike without a helmet, we’d crossed the line. :rulez:
Actually I ‘get’ it more than anyone, as I was a pregnant and unmarried 19 year old many eons ago, I also went to a woman’s private college and majored in sociology and psychology, yes I know health care people (lots my dad and many relatives, including mil are docs and nurses). I didn’t say no abortions are done, just that the numbers claimed are probably part of the crap of NOW and NARL spewings. I also gave birth to one of those ‘babies’ (25 weeker) who recognized mom & dad’s voices, and wowed the docs and nurses with his fight life through 4 operations before dying of a myriad of causes. All this after a ‘holier-than-thou’ medical determination that I’d never have a live child [actually gave birth to 5]. So excuse me if life has opened my eyes up and beside I had horses growing up - I know crap when I see it, smell it and step in it.
It’s about making a deeply personal decision. I’m an Angeleno and I know several women who have had abortions. None of them took it lightly. I also know women who chose to carry their pregnancy to term. They didn’t take that decision lightly either. Abortion should be neither mandatory nor prohibited.
Actually my hubby made a good point when we were discussing this - why is Abortion even an issue?!? Roe v Wade said between a woman and her doc. If medically necessary, we don’t require a constitutional amendment for ‘approval’ for heart surgery. So what is the big issue -it’s to insure that no state can ban it, get federal money to pay for it [which po’s me, that my tax dollars funds something I personally am opposed to - of course that goes to a lot of what my tax dollars go to right now] and so that ‘clinics’ and ‘women’s centers’ can do them, in other words not in hospitals [and how much better is that the old system]. The other real problem I have with it, is it has become a standard for judges and politicians and someone’s personal beliefs should not enter into those areas. It has gotten way beyond protecting a woman’s right to have one, if she desires and/or chooses and those of us who don’t care if you chose to - just shut up and stop shoving it down my throat. That’s all I want.
With all respect, when I hear that someone made a “difficult decision” I supect they decided in favor of their personal interest. I said above that pregnancy is unique in all the world. All these phrases “right to chose” “a woman’s own body” “between a woman and her doctor” say nothing, and are an example of begging the question. Of course that doesn’t prove that they’re incorrect.
“Right to Chose” what? What about the little guy? Words like ‘murder’ have been irresponsibly thrown around, I’m sorry to say. The Pro-Life movement has elements that resemble John Brown at Harper’s Ferry —but his behavior didn’t make slavery right.
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I’m in favor of letting people mess themselves up, drugs, alcohol, tobacco, whatever. But can we at least think about the baby as something other than a wart?
Posted by Oink
01/23/2006 at 03:17 PM
Abortions do not ensure that every child is raised happy and wanted. As a foster mommy, I am daily reminded of the fact that though abortion whispers promises of every child being loved and wanted, it falls far short. All it does is make life cheap and expendable. The entire culture doesn’t teach lessons of love and reponsibility and sacrifice it screams: THANK ONLY ABOUT YOUR SELF! IF THIS IS UNCOMFORTABLE AND NOT YOUR PLAN THEN END IT! DON’T EVEN DREAM ABOUT DOING SOMETHING YOU DON’T ABSOLUTELY WANT TO DO! IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU.
Preganancy is no longer a special and sacred gift from God, but it is something inconvenient, uncomfortable and easily undone by the act of a surgeon. It seems doubly a crime when 1000’s of couples arm’s are aching for the baby they can’t have and to try to adopt an infant is near impossible due to their scarcity.
Sorry, as a youth group leader and human being, I have held too many young girls in my arms that were too young to make the choice they did and will live the intensely painful consequences of their liberating ‘choice’ for the rest of their lives. You only have a choice until the child is gone. They you just have emptiness. But, hey....at least no one made you do something hard!
I’ve ranted on this before <sigh> and I suppose I will do so again. Why the need for abortions in the first place, huh? Because people aren’t RESPONSIBLE enough to either keep their pants on, their legs shut, or to buy/steal a freaking condom. So you wanna’ tell me that they’re somehow now RESPONSIBLE enough to to make a decision about a future life?!? Am I missing something here?
No, I didn’t. By and large, in American society, abortions = convenience.
Hey, I’m all about keeping my personal freedoms. But there comes a point where the government (I forget the legal term here) intervenes in our lives as the “parent” and says that if you aren’t responsible, so you DON’T get a choice in the matter.
This is one of the biggest challenges that our society faces today is this damned notion of entitlement. Even the most reckeless and irresponsible in our society are entitled to all the freedoms and handouts in the world...and heaven forbid that someone should put their foot down and say, “for the greater good...NO! You can’t do that and you can’t have that!” Sheesh!
And finally...to the Pro-Choicers out there I say that if you mother made the choice to have an abortion you wouldn’t be around to argue the point.
Well said, Shinjinrui.
Irony of ironies. Were certain political figures not recently weeping, wailing, and gnashing their teeth over how deeply abortion had cut into the ranks of their supporters? There was quite a flap about it, if memory serves....
Thanks, Tann.
I must apologize. When I get worked up (abortion is JUST such an issue) it seems my fingers and my mind lose sync. That’s when all the horrible typos and grammar errors crop up. Apologies to all if I sounded messed up on my last post.
Pro Choice...except for the baby.....oh and the father, we can’t give him any say....and grandparents....and society in general
No, on the contrary. I think she had all the choice and all the power before she consented to the activities that might result in pregnancy. But, I can’t engage in some sort of legal partnership, you know, create a business venture that is co-owned by more than just me and make decisions all on my own about it. I can’t dissolve it, with no say from my legal partners. I can’t sell my house or car without my husband’s signature. Why is the baby venture any different?
And if mom’s body were all that important to her, I think her risk from the unprotected sex is statistically more likely to result in harm than a pregnancy. Let’s face it, if she had used a condom, there wouldn’t be an issue.
Sorry, I was that 14 (well, 15 year old girl) I live with the pain of that ‘wonderful choice’ every day of my life. (It has been 18 years now) Somehow, I don’t think my life was saved the consequence of being screwed up. Seems like that choice was only the begining of the pain.
That is exactly my point, OC. In the real world, none of the promises of abortion are delivered.
**The mother’s life and safety isn’t any more certain. (I haven’t met or heard of any OB/GYN’s or hospitals, etc that are opposed to performing an abortion to save a mother’s life or even just due to health issues that are non lifethreatening) Also, I would guess by promising that if you accidentally get pregnant you can just get an abortion, we are encouraging our nation’s little women that a condom isn’t that necessary. You can undo nearly anything done later. Except AIDS, of course. And a few other interesting conditions like HPV and Herpes.
**Every child is not a wanted child. There are plenty born still that aren’t wanted or properly cared for. I don’t know that you can make a correlation that abortion would make that situation worse. By placing a higher price on human life, it might improve the situation.
**It allows the mom to continue on with her life and not have it screwed up by a kid. Again, life is so cheap anymore. Children are the greatest blessing in the world and we can learn a ton from the sacrifice that is having them. You can also learn a lot by loving them enough to give them away.
I don’t make arguements appealing to emotion. I believe in truth and logic. But,the fact is that so many women go through severe emotional problems after an abortion. Abortion doesn’t deliver anything it says it will and in cripples women rather than empowering them. This solution does nothing in the REAL WORLD and it hurts people in the EMOTIONAL WORLD.
I was a “wanted” baby-born pre “Roe"-but I was born a month early(4 1/2lbs) and and as a high functional autistic am legally disabled.
I also have an IQ in the mid-120’s.
Today, a baby like I was can be aborted.
One of the reasons used for abortion is that a disabled child(diagnosed intra-uterine) will have a low quality of life.
That’s crap.
I’ve met severely disabled people that are gifts from God!
Being mentally challenged and bed-ridden doesn’t make a person less human.
I wonder how much joy has been lost because selfish-parents-and(that’s what the majority of abortions are due too, SELFISHNESS!!!) to didn’t want the burden and the stigma of a less than perfect baby.
What’s worse: low quality...or NO quality?Posted by Annoying Little Twerp
01/24/2006 at 09:14 PM
I couldn’t agree more, Twerp.
