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state deletes one of two killer vermin as obama opines on Oklahoma death penalty

 
 


Posted by peiper    United Kingdom   on 05/01/2014 at 02:22 AM   
 
  1. This was the second news item on BBC Radio 2 at 7am yesterday and quelle surprise they made no mention of this animals monstrous crime. Cry me a river. He deserved a lot worse for what he did in my view. If this pos had been a white man do you think it would even have got a mention?

    Posted by LyndonB    United Kingdom   05/01/2014  at  05:02 AM  

  2. LyndonB - I have always felt that if they posted crime scene pictures of the victims, more people would be For the Death Penalty.

    Second of all - I have lived with domestic animals since I was a small child. Tragically some have had to have their pain and suffering ended. My Dad actually shot his favorite horse (I’ve forgotten the actual details) - it was the last time he ever rode a horse. I have been present at the end (most especially our last dog in 2007) - One shot and they went completely oblivious to the world around them, the 2nd stopped their heart. It is the anti-death penalty crowd that is causing this by lawsuits against cruel and unusual punishment - what a fr*cking joke - considering what a person has to do to even be considered for the death penalty anymore in the US. Why don’t the stupid idiots in the execution biz just check out what is used by the Vets. It is certainly quick and humane. And uneventful.

    A firing squad, a hanging, a lethal cocktail, the electric chair are all more humane by a million degrees than what the victim(s) suffered.

    As long as the death penalty is legal - shut up and work through the political arm to make it illegal - but then we all know how that one turned out - don’t we?

    To me, there are not enough executions - drug dealers, drug smugglers, child rapists - are just a few I’d like to see go straight to Death Row.

    Btw, I wonder how 40 minutes of writhing in pain and such nonsense compared to this:

    Lockett was convicted with two co-defendants for the 1999 murder of teenager Stephanie Nieman, who was shot and buried alive in a shallow grave.

    I hope all these bleeding heart whinners either meet a Clayton Lockett (God is not that vile) or rot in hell.

    I can dream.

    Posted by wardmama4    United States   05/01/2014  at  08:26 AM  

  3. It seems the far left is having a field day with us here in Oklahoma.  No problem though, like little children the left will soon be off chasing another imaginary “problem” to cure with their hair brained remedies.  Not to worry, Okies have strong backs and sharper wits than “they” give us credit for, we’ll come out on top again and sooner then they think.

    Posted by Ol Feller    United States   05/01/2014  at  08:35 AM  

  4. Drew,

    Off the death penalty subject,

    You like older bridges. Have you seen this video?

    The Milton-Madison Bridge stretches across the Ohio River. The 0.6 mile long structure connects Milton, Kentucky and Madison, Indiana. It was built in 1929. The bridge has shown its age, so engineers erected new trusses. Then, carefully, they slid the entire bridge over on to these new trusses. Watch this amazing time-lapse video showing the event.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4f_1uC0iXc

    Posted by New Jersey Yankee    United States   05/01/2014  at  03:30 PM  

  5. Just how was it botched? The perp is dead. crying 2  mooning

    Posted by Col. Bat Guano    United States   05/01/2014  at  04:53 PM  

  6. Wardmomma - they do use the same drugs as vets. pentobarbital, aka “good old Nembutal”, is widely used. So is Propofol, used as a first injection to induce anesthesia. Ketamine, famous as a horse tranq that’s abused by the rave party crowd, can be part of the cocktail too.

    You can Google up the drugs that each state uses. You can also read about the UK’s Maya Foa, an Euro-do-gooder who has pressured the one and only legit source of the drug to stop sales to US prisons, causing a shortage and forcing them to try other means, some of which take longer to do the job and have side effects. Gee thank, Miss Lib! (for some reason the link comes up blacklisted? I run this darn blog: there is NO BLACKLIST, so here is is, broken up:
    ht tp://www.cbsnews. com/news /meet-the-woman- behind-a-shortage-of- execution-drugs/ )

    The DEA has also stuck their paw into the mix, seizing thiopental because state corrections departments are not authorized to import the stuff. And this one is also subject to external foreign pressure just like Nembutal.

    Maybe the execution team should just have a vacation in Mexico the week before, where you can buy all this stuff right off the shelves in Tijuana.

    Posted by Drew458    United States   05/01/2014  at  04:53 PM  

  7. New Jersey Yankee,

    Very cool, but it’s actually a brand new bridge. The old one was on the solid piers, the new one was built on the temporary ones. Then the old bridge was blown apart, and the new bridge slid over onto the original (and now widened, repaired and strengthened) piers.

    OB-YZ085_091913_J_20130919142444.jpg

    Let’s go to the video tape! KABOOM!!!

    http://bridgehunter.com/in/jefferson/madison/

    Posted by Drew458    United States   05/01/2014  at  05:09 PM  

  8. Two thoughts.

    1) While there are some, like the a**hole in the article, who absolutely deserve the death penalty , we need to be careful.  There have been enough news articles about fabricated evidence and lieing cops putting some poor s.o.b. on death row to give me pause.  A few days ago, there was even an article about a man who was convicted of a killing while he was in another state!  He literally couldn’t have done it, yet was convicted anyway and served over 20 years on death row before being exonerated and released.

    2) When we are certain that the crime was heinous enough to merit the death penalty, if the idea is to minimize the suffering of the prisoner, why not a large caliber bullet fired into the back of the head, pretty much as Wardmama stated? 

    Sit the prisoner in a comfy chair, let him/her have a last sip of coffee or whatever and pull the trigger.  Pretty messy if you’re a witness or have to clean up afterwards, but instantaneous and painless for the one being executed.

    I just don’t understand why the states got carried away with a multi drug cocktail to do the job.  It’s complex, uncomfortable for the prisoner and seems to have a noticeable failure rate. 

    A number of prisoners being executed have had veins that were too badly damaged by drug use for the cocktail to be easily administered.  For that matter, if you’re going to insist on using drugs, why not use an anesthetic followed by a large dose of something like cyanide injected into the vein?

    Posted by Dr. Jeff    United States   05/01/2014  at  05:19 PM  

  9. Guns - because it makes a mess, and nobody wants the “guilt” of popping a cap upside his haid. Plus they miss. A lot.

    Even using the pneumatic bolt the meat packers use to put down cattle, rigged up to a helmet and a (perfectly named) deadman’s switch in the prisoner’s hand ... give him a big injection of sleepy juice, off he nods, relaxes his hand ... and actually kills himself! ... this is a no-no.

    but you are correct ... the two stage and three stage euthanasia cocktails do exactly that. Needle 1 puts them to sleep and cancels all pain. Needle 2 stops their heart cold with a heavy dose of barbiturate. Needle 3 ... I don’t know what’s in Needle 3. Cobra venom would be just fine with me. Some kind of high speed neuron-toxin.

    And then feed them into the rotating knives over the fire pit.

    Posted by Drew458    United States   05/01/2014  at  05:47 PM  

  10. Wow, a whole forty minutes.  How is this death any different than what the elderly will go through while waiting for obamacare to take care of them while the die of a heart attack?  And while we are on the subject of cruel and unusual, what did the benghazi victims go through.  From what I understand, Chris Stevens was tortured for 7 or so hours, raped, and then burned to death.  But what difference does that make?

    Posted by sdkar    United States   05/01/2014  at  08:34 PM  

  11. That’s not botched, and it’s not inhumane. It’s JUSTICE.

    Posted by grayjohn    United States   05/01/2014  at  09:59 PM  

  12. Except that needles 2 and 3 don’t always seem to do the trick and there really isn’t an easy alternative when the killer’s veins are already messed up.

    I’ll still vote for one in the back of the head.  What I had in mind was something like a double barreled 10ga shotgun welded to the back of a helmet.  The first one should be enough, the second would be insurance.  Oh yeah, the helmet should look like something out of The Man in the Iron Mask.  The muzzle blast alone would be instantly lethal.

    Posted by Dr. Jeff    United States   05/01/2014  at  10:23 PM  

  13. Time to fire up Ol’ Sparky again!

    Posted by Macker    United States   05/03/2014  at  03:23 PM  

  14. Dr. Jeff - also see The Memphis 3 for botched police ‘work’. I agree there - but come on a criminal investigation, a trial, and yes I will even stand for a review or two. But going back 20+ years - when memories can be distorted, people can be dead and so forth is pathetic at the least and dangerous at best, and it demeans and starts to destroy the system. This isn’t the work of one person - it should have enough checks and balances to ensure that the innocent are almost never convicted.

    We have a guy here (OH) who has been tried 3 times, convicted twice and hung jury on the middle trial - asking for a 4th trial (Not granted, Yeah) - the local idiot station (NBC) ran a ‘special’ where he is whining about the abuse of power involved in his case - cuz he didn’t do it.

    The problem is we aren’t in the he said/she said venue any more about evidence, evidence collection and probably the only real problem criminals have is the dregs of attorney’s who defend them as public defenders. But I will admit that some evidence is excluded - but isn’t that the fault of the lawyers who have made it so tough to gather/present evidence? A chink in the criminal justice system that gives the criminal more rights than the victim.

    But that is what appeals are for.

    If it passes that and yeah, I’ll even give them a couple of years to do all the background work.

    But I am against holding up the one or two innocents (and why/how did it take 24 years for this evidence to suddenly ‘materialize’?) as a reason to completely destroy the system. And Kenneth McDuff (late of TX) is the poster child as to what is wrong/dangerous about the ‘life’ in prison bs. I’m not even advocating that every single person who kills another person dies immediately in a execution. That is taking it to another bad/wrong extreme.

    Just that certain killers need to be put to death. And those who are against the death penalty need to work through that same legal system to change it. Not go end round with bogus lawsuits to destroy the system.

    And where is a company in America who is willing to step up to make these drugs? Wouldn’t even this be considered ‘buy American’ be the best end result for all involved? Notice how all the good medical work is done in the veterinarian field - I wonder why that is?

    Bullets are cheaper and work just as well and with really good shooters - even more quickly.

    Posted by wardmama4    United States   05/04/2014  at  10:10 AM  

  15. Wardmama, no argument.  Working out the problems and destroying the entire system are two very different things.

    Here’s a second idea, literally it’s a can’t miss.

    How about wrapping the prisoner’s neck with a dozen turns of det cord?  It would literally be over in an instant and the mortality rate is 100%.  Finding the head later might be a problem, but how much of an issue is that really?

    Posted by Dr. Jeff    United States   05/05/2014  at  02:44 PM  

  16. That would remedy the whole “As long as he doesn’t suffer” issue.  No suffering at all.  I wonder of course, how long before they determine that just the anxiety caused by being on death row is considered cruel and unusual.

    Posted by sdkar    United States   05/05/2014  at  04:12 PM  

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