Ship The Bastards Out!!
That $8000 illegal is hardly the only person milking SSI disability for “drug addiction,” among other dubious things.
If you want to fix the water pipe, stop the leaks.
And by the way, Vilmar, in speaking of tying the Mexican legal system in knots, you are assuming that Mexico has a legal system. Is that empirically verifiable?
Social Security benefits may be paid to these illegals but Medicaid benefits are paid to special insurance companies. Florida spends $7,000 per Medicaid person per year. How much will the government’s insurance company get with a broke family of 4? 4 X $7,000 = $28,000 per year!!!
I would rather give that money to the illegals than those special insurance companies.
Notice how Ford is funding this
Posted by Z Woof
03/14/2005 at 10:01 AM
OCM
Average annual cost per person on Medicaid is $7,000 per year. So, a family of 4 would be $28,000 a year to the tax payers.
Tax payers is Michigan pay over $1,000 per month for state employees’ family health insurance. Some teachers, Oakland County, the cost is over $1,500 a month. But Medicaid is even more expensive.
Posted by Z Woof
03/14/2005 at 10:30 AM
Vilmar,
What we need to address this problem is thousands of those remote controlled internet rifles, strung out across the US side of the Mexican border. They could be manned in shifts, by a concerned citizen militia. Why just think of how many illegal aliens that the members of this web site could bag, given the opportunity.
I know that you are opposed to this concept, but perhaps you should reconsider.
Stan
PS: For those of you who were not party to our email conversation over the weekend, here are a few excerpts.
Stan:
Speaking of vision impaired web sites and firearms, what do you thing about this?
http://www.live-shot.com/
Unless you are willing to field-dress it, I don’t think you ought to be able to shoot it. You can’t even smell the cordite for God sake.
StanStan:
I went and signed up for target practice. More to follow.
StanAllan:
Hmmmmmm, now that looks like an interesting concept.
AllanStan:
It is an interesting concept. I don’t think that I approve of it for hunting. It is one thing to shoot at a target that doesn’t move. If you are shooting at an antelope or something, you might go from a clean kill shot, to just blowing the poor bastard’s jaw off, due to internet response time issues. Maybe this type of hunting should be confined to people in wheelchairs with high bandwidth connections.
An interesting concept, but I am not quite comfortable with it.
No more getting out of bed at 4AM to go get into the deer blind however.
I have mixed emotions.
StanStan:
Well I have to install some software.
http://www.sunrise-data.com/liveshot/pic1.bmp
It is a java app. You need the Java runtime 1.4.
http://www.sunrise-data.com/liveshot/pic2.bmp
These guys are sitting on a goldmine; no shooting slots are available for the entire month of my membership. I am going to ask for a refund!
http://www.sunrise-data.com/liveshot/pic3.bmp
I am able to move a camera around on somebody’s pasture. Here is a deer feeder.
http://www.sunrise-data.com/liveshot/pic4.bmp
Conclusion:
This web site is a ripoff in its current incarnation, but they do seem to be getting some response.
StanAllan:
I’ll pass since it’s java. My experience is the response would be too slow since java SUCKS.
Allan
Stan:
Subject: Well this is actually kind of… fun
Well in spite of the fact that I want my money back because I can’t click my mouse and shoot anything (all the shooting schedules are taken for about the next 100 years), this site is kind of fun to play with. The camera on the left can be controlled by the observer (me in this instance). I scanned around and found a deer feeder. I scanned a bit more and found the shooting range.
http://www.sunrise-data.com/liveshot/pic4.bmp
The camera on the left is controlled by me. The camera on the right is the 22 rifle. You can zoom in and out. This is all causing quite a hubbub do a search on Google news for live-shot.
Lets fire up the browsers and go kill something.
StanStan:
Subject: Illegal Alien Defense
The founder, John seems to have a potential application of this invention for the US Border Patrol.
http://www.houston-press.com/issues/2005-03-10/news/hairballs.html
You can’t just go all Lee Harvey Oswald from your keyboard, however. A ranch employee is positioned next to the rifle, and he does not remove the safety to allow a shot until he’s sure everything’s okay.
“We’ve got a lot of illegal aliens who come through our area, and you don’t want somebody who doesn’t know any better to sight on a person and pull the trigger,” says Lockwood, whose naïveté about at least some of his audience’s attitude toward illegal aliens is charming.
Imagine about a couple of thousand of these gadgets scattered out through the desert between Laredo and Cotullia. You can bag your trophy buck, or if hunting is slow, bag an illegal alien or two.
Stan
Stan:
Subject: Livestock on the Range (Shooting not Home on the Range)
There is a horse loose in this pasture! Several actually.
Is that a good idea?
http://www.sunrise-data.com/liveshot/pic6.bmp
http://www.sunrise-data.com/liveshot/pic7.bmpStan
Vilmar:
There’s something VERY wrong about doing ANYTHING like this (relative to hunting). It’s just that I can’t put it into words.
Now, imagine if our military were to deploy something like this in “urban areas” of Iraq?
Vilmar
Stan:
Vilmar,
Yes, this is creepy and compelling all at once. I wouldn’t shoot a deer like this, but it might be fun to fire 10 rounds at a target.
I find myself sort of pulling for John Lockwood, the guy that came up with the concept. He is an estimator at a body shop in San Antonio. He is raking in some pretty good money hanging a target and reloading a 22 Ruger rifle. According to the voluminous press he has been getting, he has at least 300 members at $20 per pop. He can quit his estimator job if allowed to continue.
He has all the animal rights groups and every state legislature trying to stop him.
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_63419.asp
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/sports/outdoors/s_306913.html
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0309-14.htm
http://www.ntxe-news.com/artman/publish/article_24020.shtml
http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/summaries/reader/0,2061,576405,00.html
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/legislature/11099080.htm
And many, many more… Do an “Internet Hunting” search on Google news.
Why shouldn’t the guy be allowed to profit from his idea? What if the Texas Parks and Wildlife issued a special hunting license for handicapped people? What about the recreational rights of the handicapped? Maybe the ACLU will find itself arguing both sides of this issue.
There is a person with a rifle sitting there also. If a hog got his jaw shot off instead of getting killed, the real life hunter could track him down and finish him off.
If you are going to make sausage, the first step is to kill the hog. This is just one other lawful (temporarily) way to accomplish the first step.
This is a little creepy but, why shouldn’t the guy be allowed to profit from his idea? Hummm…
Allan, maybe we can get paid to port the application to some other platform besides Java.
StanVilmar:
Stan,
The guy came up with a novel idea and I am impressed at the ingenuity of the American mind when it comes to making money. I have no problem with the business.
It’s just not something I care to do. There’s no fun shooting unless the trigger snaps your finger back or the pistol’s recoil causes your arms to go upwards or the rifle’s recoil makes your shoulder sore.
Check back in 30 years and people will be divided on this like the ones who will NEVER type a letter on keyboard or typewriter preferring to “write one” on paper instead. (I hope I made sense.)
Hey, are the bluebonnets in bloom yet? I was wanting to drive to Austin to do some photography. I will call the TDOT or Ladybird Johnson center tomorrow, too.
Vilmar
Stan:
Yes I prefer to smell the smoke myself.
The bluebonnets are just now coming out. It should be a good year because there has been lots of rain.
StanAllan:
Vilmar,
They already have “force feed” joysticks that provide physical feedback from on-line games. There are even some joysticks that shock the piss out of you when you die in a game. Why not a “rifle” joystick with tactile trigger and shot feedback? The technology is already there.
Simply combine this ....
http://pcworld.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=4976259
With this ....
http://pcworld.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=313568
AllanAllan:
Stan,
I like the way you think. Perl would be faster but use more memory. Perhaps PHP? Or maybe, server-side includes or even ASP. This requires thought. Hmmmmm ....
AllanStan:
Smoke, we need the smoke too. Maybe something to set off two or three grains of powder. Just enough for the smell, but not enough to set off the smoke alarms. Maybe a freezer closet too to approximate sitting on your ass in a cold deer blind.
We could get rich!!!
StanStan:
Folks,
Here is good powder load for this application:
http://www.reloadammo.com/32swlong.htm
You could load the blank in the rifle, and aim at the target, through a virtual goggle system, and fire. To make it work without a whole lot of virtual running around the pasture, to start with, both rifles would need to be on a tripod (sandbag), which is what you are usually doing from a good deer blind anyway. Later, maybe you could have a virtual four-wheeler to navigate around the pasture and stop at certain spot to wait for a shot.
Food for thought.
Stanand now they are near/in our nuke plants. those of you in fla may want to keep your iodine stock up to date…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050311-103449-5962r.htm
Illegal aliens using false Social Security numbers were able to enter and work as contract painters at a power plant in Florida, including work near one nuclear reactor.
Officials at Progress Energy, which runs the Crystal River Energy Complex in Citrus County, say they followed federal regulations and that the contractor should have better vetted its employees.Stan,
PLEASE do not take me out of context. I was referring to paper targets! (or animals) No fun shooting those from my computer 1000 miles awat. Hell, I can get a game to do that.
Now...........as for illegals---lock, load, fire up the monitors, and press that mouse button!
BWAH HA HA HA!!!!!
I have a better solution .... send Vicente Fox and the Mess-can guvmint a bill for $50,000 for each and every one of “their people” we find illegally in our country. If they don’t pay, we appropriate their oil wells as compensation. End of story.
Oh, almost forgot .... we mine the shit out of the border. Land mines from California to the Gulf Of Mexico, three miles deep all along the border.
Allan,
Sending a bill to the Mexican government will never work. They still owe Texas water they took from the Rio Grande. Condi Rice got them to agree to give some of it back in her trip to Mexico. Check out Rice Warns of Terrorists Entering U.S. Via Mexico
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11105983.htm
Mines three miles deep would close down a lot of primo farm and ranch land that is worth a lot to the Texas economy, as well as ‘splode a bunch of innocent beef. The obvious answer to this problem is robotic internet firearms.
Robotic Internet Firearms Ranging Along Frontiers (RIFRAF) provides a number of advantages:
1)It allows Texas ranchers to thin out overabundant deer herds by selling the meat to the highest bidder over the internet. This increases farm and ranch revenues.
2)The project could be jointly funded by private enterprise and the government. It is illegal to hunt deer at night in Texas, so the hunters can use the equipment during the day and the US Border Patrol (in night vision mode) at night.
3)It would be a boon to the Texas high tech industry during the development and deployment of the system.
4)Since the actual shooting is done over the internet, the actual operation of the RIFRAF stations can be outsourced to sweat shops in India after the system is up and running.In short John Lockwood and the boys at http://www.live-shot.com have come up with an idea whose time has come. Sometime you need RIFRAF to get the riff-raff.
PS: On a sadder note, the http://www.live-shot.com gun cam has been down all day. I hope that that the ATF or Vicente Fox haven’t gotten to the poor fellow.
You guys are making interesting suggestions. But I was wondering, couldn’t we have private firms patrolling our border? I’m thinking they could operate under military guidelines. I’m asking this because I saw an interview on Fox News a while back with the former security chief of El Al, who was against making the airport screeners government employees. He said that in Israel, private companies take, but under governmental guidelines. Think of the jobs that could be created.
Also, I am against automatically granting “anchor babies” citizenship, along with the rest of their families. A friend of mine with relatives in Switzerland says that their citizenship requirements are VERY strict. So even if you’re born there, you have to wait years until you can become a citizen. He was also saying that the Swiss deport non-citizen foreigners who have been unemployed for a number of months. I know it’s politically incorrect, but couldn’t we do something like that here?
Private firms in the US who can outsource to India. It is a win/win situation.
A military firing range would make you think twice about walking around in the area…
Its about damn time that an article has come out saying the facts. Most of us Americans knew what was going on, but nothing was said or heard about it until now. Now every mexican that I see out on the street, I will avoid at all costs and stay the hell away. I cant belive that it has gotten this bad before someone had the balls to say something about it. Before you know it, we will have a big Ebola out break across the whole US. I allways thought smoking would kill me, but I guess I wont live long enough for that to happen.
For all you hippie green peace people out there, See what happens when you let shit into this big melting pot!!
Posted by Antarctic Sparky
03/16/2005 at 02:45 AM
Cool it, Sparky.
You can’t “see a Mexican on the street” and know that he’s a Mexican. There are Mexicans who are whiter than I am (and I’m pretty pale) as well as some darker than Michael Jordan. There are “oriental” Mexicans.
I sincerely hope you do not plan on judging folks on whether you believe them to be “Mexican” or not.
Living on the border, I can say that there is a certain resentment among legitimate immigrants against the illegals. Not only do the illegals cause some economic havoc, evidence a massive security breach, and cause trouble, but they also give the legitimate immigrants a bad name, and you wind up with folks like Sparky above, who simply lash out, with no rhyme or reason to their flailing.
I am all for trade and legitimate immigration. I think we need a few more legitimate border crossings.
That being said, if you mined the heck out of the area between the crossings, I’d call it progress. Build a fence, complete with concertina wire and explosives. I don’t want to close the border. I do want a wall, with open doors. Let whoever wants to come in, come in, if they’re legit. Terror suspects, drug runners, and Tio Pancho’s Illegal Alien Smuggling Corporation need to be shut out.
Make sense?
