Privacy? Security? What’s The Law Say?
He’s OK, for a rich guy. My hero is a local merchant who told the Govt. to piss up a rope & sat in jail refusing to budge.
He had an anonymous complaint about child-labor violations. He wanted to know the nature of the complaint before he opened his books to the investigators. Some shit from The Constitution about knowing the charges and confronting your accusers ...
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 08:34 AM
I feel fairly uncomfortable, being to the LEFT of OCM. Or am I? I do not have a lot of problems with the Patriot Act—aside from the name.
But “not having anything to hide” won’t wash. There must be definitions made ahead of time for what the cops can and cannot do about searching your person, home & effects. Just imagine a US govt. that’s very hostile to you and what you believe. Make the search & seizure rules accordingly.
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 09:19 AM
Thought I’d hear from you, Bud. Yeah, and I support profiling, to a degree. It ain’t Irish Catholics who are the threat.
Out where I live, New Maysville is called New Methville. And it is rural rednecks (my kind of folks) who are brewing the shit. Not Muslims, not black. So if I get extra attention, with my pickup, unshaven appearance, baseball cap—tough shit.
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 10:06 AM
He reminds me of a guy I know from up in my old stomping grounds, the panhandle of Texas, Stanley Marsh III (he has a great name too).
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/TX-CadillacRanch2.html
Eccentric millionaires, ya gotta love em!
There will never be another successful passenger aircraft hijacking. The passengers won’t allow it. Flight 93 showed this. There have also been incidents where passengers have helped restrain people aboard aircraft. The shoe-bomber was one of these. It ain’t happening again.
All this security is mostly just firmly closing, locking and barring the barn door after the horses have escaped. A government specialty.
I can see searching for explosives, etc. to prevent an in-air event, but otherwise the whole thing is a waste of time and resources better expended elsewhere.
Some bright light has recently decreed that butane lighters are a threat and can’t be carried in carryon or in checked baggage.
I’m thinking of setting up a lighter stand in the local airport.
I believe this bullshit is just another rung on the ladder leading to Orwell’s “1984” society. The “secret laws” just add to this impression.
Ten Thousand ATTA BOYS to BobF.
Screw this idiot! - Oh my God! Give another Ten Thousand ATTA BOYS to OCM, even if he does have a passion for goats.Now then - Oink - Do you honestly think that we went from “Maranda” to “the cops can do what ever the fuck they want”. Jesus, the rules are in place. The cops can’t come into your home anytime they want. Search and arrest warrants still need to be approved by a judge, etc, etc, etc. The Patriot Act didn’t change one damn little bit of any of the search and seizure rules that we have been living with for the past twenty years.
Also, what is this shit about Rednecks. Rednecks do not cook Meth. Dope smoking, Godless, hippie scum, that have been chased out of the city, are the assnuggets cooking Meth in rural areas, and if law enforcement in rural areas would apply some good old fashion Redneck justice to these freaks, cooking Meth in rural areas would stop being a problem.
A self respecting Redneck may indulge in the manufacturing of some fine, high grade, sipping whiskey. May enjoy family oriented recreational sports like fishing with a quarter stick of dynamite. But never cooking Meth. We’ll leave that up to those Che Guevara loving, anti-American, pinko commie pukes that darken the God Graced Rural Areas or this Great Country with the blackness of their evil!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!Hmmm.. employee #5. I’m employee #14244.
BWHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, Wooooooooooo. That was fun OCM. Got your GOAT didn’t I. AW Shoot, that calls for a drink.
I was disputing “Inquisitorial purity” - the idea that those that have nothing to fear shouldn’t care about the 4th Amendment. There are plenty of protections in place right now. But, some day they might come for OCM’s bong, or our cigarettes, or booze, or beaver shots.
I distinguish between Rednecks and Good Ole Boys. The latter are friendlier, smarter and kinder, but will knock you a-windin’ if you mess with them.
(Serious this paragraph). Meth has fucked us up bad here in the boonies. Prosecution has made it worse. The sheriff, judge, prosecutor—HELL EVERYBODY! agrees that it hasn’t worked. And it ain’t never gonna work.The danger, abuse & neglect the users expose their children to cannot be believed. It’s not in the same galaxy, hell universe! as pot. And it has affected good folks, who thought they could use it to help them farm AND work at the factory. Shit! It’s a christless mess!
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 04:10 PM
UMMMMMM, OCM, I think it was a joke. Ya’ know, tongue-in-cheek type thing. Sarcasm. Something like that.
Posted by commander0
03/01/2005 at 04:13 PM
Oink - All BS aside, explain to me why prosecution isn’t working?
I live in Weld County in Colorado in the sticks also. We are having the same problem, but it is because prosecution is working very well. Let me explain that a little.
The larger cities/towns in Colorado have been beating the hell out of Meth cookers. If you get popped for cooking Meth in this state it means a very long stay in the joint and law enforcement has done a excellent job of catching these types. The problem for us is that the great law enforcement in the cities/towns has pushed the cookers out into the rural areas. Now Weld County is a very big piece of ground with very few sheriff deputies and a lot of dirt roads to patrol. That makes it just that much harder to catch’em. That in a nut shell is the problem. To make it even worse, the Meth cookers have started using mobile labs. They get a old Winnebago camper, park it on an empty dirt road at night, cook a batch of Meth, then move on in the morning. Trying to stop shit like that has so far been near impossible.As a result of a trillion dollars and 50 years fighting the “War on
HumansDrugs”—drugs are cheaper, stronger, more plentiful than ever. What does it tell you that drugs are freely available in prison?People have gotten out of there gourds forever—probably Neanderthal had a Stone Bong --WOW - that’s how ‘getting stoned’ started!
We spend a god-awful amount of money keeping non-violent dopers in prison. Millions die from tobacco and alcohol. Hundreds from the illegal stuff.
Was Al Copone and the bloody wars in Chicago proof of why we should keep alcohol illegal? Children can get dope easier than booze.
Maybe an approach like “Escape from New York” or the Saudi regime whould work. Not worth it to keep idiots from fucking themselves up. Read “State of Fear”. People would rather die that change beliefs.
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 05:21 PM
OCM, one of the funniest quotes (in retrospect) of all time came from a famous temperance advocate in the early 1900’s who said of the new automobiles, “They may prove to be a good thing. At the very least, they should help get all the drunken horsemen off the roads.”
Did I forget the thrill of risking your life going into the woods—just like finding a moonshine still in olden days. The entertainment of 100 mph+ car chases. The exciting gun battles. The buildings burning from out-of-control labs. The cops with their nose up your ass when you want to treat your congestion or clean your porcelain(look up “nazi method” for cooking meth). The education given to kids who find these chemicals discarded all sorts of places. Yahoo!!! lets keep this poison off the streets and away from our kids!!!!
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 05:58 PM
No drug laws ever anywhere for anything. Let the fucking jerkoffs kill themselves
Posted by commander0
03/01/2005 at 07:08 PM
For adults, I mean
Posted by commander0
03/01/2005 at 07:08 PM
And not while driving
Posted by commander0
03/01/2005 at 07:09 PM
Or at work
Posted by commander0
03/01/2005 at 07:10 PM
I forgot an important qualifier. ANTIBIOTICS should be controlled. That’s a case where your use poses a clear and present danger to others. A lot of others, many of them nowhere near you.
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 07:19 PM
Same as booze users.
Druggies are specially dangerous when they got some unknown chemical or a large dose of the real stuff or need $2 Grand a week to pay for shit that would cost $10 if legal.
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 07:27 PM
Oink - Try to C o n c e n t r a t e. Why do you have a problem prosecuting meth cookers in your area?
LC: When you awaken you will be clear-headed and alert 1,2,3 WAKE!
Because I prefer not to use a pound of TNT to crack an egg? Why are there no Valium cookers in my area?
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 07:50 PM
First off, WTF does this mean?
“He was employee No. 5 at Sun Microsystems, which made Unix, the free software of the Web, the world standard”
Is the author just ignorant or what?
I’ve got to agree with Joe millionare, Mohammed Atta’s boys had Virginia state issued drivers licences. So, who exactly are we stopping from travelling?
This is as stoopid as them installing metal detectors and X-ray machines in a building
I was working in in response to the OK city bombing.Posted by Jack Crevalle
03/01/2005 at 08:02 PM
There are no Valium cookers because it is too easy to get a doc to prescribe it. “Ohhh doctor I seem to have this undefined anxiety all the time and I can’t sleep but I don’t want to ever leave the bed. What’s wrong with me and can you help? Ohh please doc. I think I’m going crazy if I can’t sleep.” Best I ever got was nitrous at the dentist. Fuckers take one look at me and want to cut my kidney stone morphine in half. Bastards.
Posted by commander0
03/01/2005 at 08:08 PM
Consider the following guy: After leaving his terminally ill wife at the hospital, he packs his young kids off to Grandma’s, and invites some young babes over to his house to party.
Is this behavior LEGAL ? Yep.
Think about the difference between 1. behavior that I disapprove of 2. behavior I am willing to send the cops to beat down your door and haul your ass away.
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 08:13 PM
FUCKIN’ A COMMANDER! HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED SUICIDE OR DIED SCREAMING BECAUSE OF OUR DROOLING MOONBAT WAR ON DRUGS? DOCTORS ARE AFRAID TO PRESCRIBE ENOUGH PAINKILLERS. I KNOW I’M SHOUTING!
NOTHING IS AS EASY TO ADJUST TO AS SOMEBODY ELSES’S PAIN.
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 08:18 PM
Oink, did you not mean when you said, “Meth has fucked us up bad here in the boonies. Prosecution has made it worse. The sheriff, judge, prosecutor—HELL EVERYBODY! agrees that it hasn’t worked”, that there is a problem with getting methamphetamine makers prosecuted wear you live?
What is the p r o b l e m in your a r e a with getting these criminals p r o s e c u t e d? Is your DA corrupt? Can law enforcement not find the guys? Are your state laws weak?Think brother, c o n c e n t r a t e, stop
and thinking about buggering OCM’s goat, and I’m sure you will be able to come up with an answer that doesn’t sound like some of Chomsky’s unedited writings.
Come on brother, I know you can do it just try hard.We can make possession punishable by death—that’ll work. Nuke places where dope is grown—that’ll work. Why be conservative? Let’s give the government unquestionable, absolute athority to protect us .. from doing stupid things.
I’ll be unavailable for a bit. I must watch Jeffrey on Showtime-- “A 30-ish gay New Yorker swears off sex, then falls for an HIV-positive man he meets at the gym.”
It’s true, that the movie exists (check it out) and I bet all of you believed it was true. What does this say?
Posted by Oink
03/01/2005 at 08:36 PM
Just say no to the war on drugs. It’s stupid, ineffective, expensive, and immoral.
Posted by commander0
03/01/2005 at 09:16 PM
I know how you folks in the “boonies” feel. Where I used to live in Southern California, there is a vast desert east north and south of LA and San Diego, stretching into Nevada and Arizona. San Bernardino county is largely rural desert and is larger than a few states in the Northeast. Think about patrolling it with a few helos and sherrif’s deputies. Vla Kilmer did a movie a couple of years ago called The Salton Sea, which deals with the desert meth lab culture. Check it out.
As far as pot goes, don’t even lump it in with other harder drugs. Pot does not make smart people stupid, but it does make already stupid people appear more stupid. And no matter what you do, you had beter include in your list of drugs “alcohol and tobacco, which kill more people than all other drugs combined times 1000.” Continuing to quote the late Bill Hicks, “as compared to pot which has killed....(long pause)....no one....and let’s put it in a time frame...EVER...”
I’ll go along with legalizing pot but I must contradict INC. It makes everybody do stupid things. Granted, when you have a lot more to work with you’re not giving up much compared to others, but still you’re not quite as sharp as you would be without it.
When I was freelancing machine tool service I proved to myself I couldn’t “smoke my lunch” and do an effective job. Either I’d forget something or have to go back and redo something because I couldn’t remember if I had forgotten a detail.
I smoked the stuff for nearly thirty years, but
neverrarely at work after that and NEVER on the last job. Those damn robots will kill you if you’re not totally there.StinKerr, I never said it was OK to
on the job 
...neither is drinking, taking heavy doses of anti-histamine, or anything else that impairs ones senses. I was enlisted aircrew/flightline mech in a Huey/Cobra squadron in the Marine Corps. You don’t want to be running
walking briskly around on a flightline of 20 helos turnin’ and burnin’ or in the air manning a .50 cal or M-60 without all your senses about you. As in most things, there is a time and a place for everything. 
INC: “As in most things, there is a time and a place for everything.”
Before anybody else says anything or notices the anti-zen of that statement, I figured I would put in the first “WTF does that mean?” 
INC, I never said you said anything of the sort. I merely used the reference to support my contradiction of your point that “Pot does not make smart people stupid”. I contend that, while it doesn’t usually make them completely stupid, it does make them less “smart”.
I’ll leave your goat(s) alone today. As far as the pot goes, what you do on your time is your business. Just keep the shit (all shit including the booze) out of your system until you get off my jobsites. Drugs and Booze are still a huge problem in construction. It is not as bad as it was 20 or 30 years ago but I have yet to have a project were I didn’t have to run off at least two people because they were working stoned.
OCM
I’m not worried about the residue, personally, it’s the guys that are so hung over they are sweating the shit out of their system when they hit the jobsite or the guys that have to light up before they come into work. The absolute worst types that I run into are trades people using crystal in order to get their work done. Just Un-Fucking believable. Had this one wood floor finisher on a job I did for Aurora Public Schools. We replaced a gymnasium floor and this guy did the basketball stripes, logo, and final finish on the floor. This guy when he was straight was one of the best at what he did. He did all the wood floor finish work on the Nuggets court in 1999 & 2000.
Anyway, I’m the full time superintendent on this job, it’s required by contract, if a tradesman is there I have to be there. First day this guy shows up, he’s on a dead fucking run. I’m thinking he’s a little wacked but I was told he was the best so I left him alone and went to get my work done. I can hear the guy working like mad but after 3 hours I notice that there is nothing but silence coming out of the gym. I figure the guy is on a break but after 45min’s of nothing I go in to check on him. He is in a corner, curled up in a fetal position crying like a little girl who lost her cat. Well I’m thinking he got a call on his cell phone on his whole family got wiped out. I call his boss, who comes down and pulls him off the job and asks for a couple of days to get something worked out to get his work finished. I’m a month ahead of schedule so it wasn’t to big a problem. Well to make this short, I found out that this was just the typical way this guy acted when he came down from a crystal high. Thats fucked up, plain and simple. The sub I had doing the floor finish had 18 other gyms he was doing across the state and he couldn’t find another finisher to replace this guy, so I was stuck with him. The month I had picked up on the schedule I lost because of this guys drug use. He would work one day and disappear two. The job got done on time but just barely. I will never again put up with that shit.StinKerr, it just occurred to me that you may have actually reinforced my point. You, being a smart guy, realized that trying to do very detail-oriented work while stoned was not the way to go. A dumbass, or at least a person with poor judgment, would have continued on until he smoked himself right out of a job.
LC, I know how you feel. Having worked a good portion of my adult life in construction, most recently in geotechnical engineering as an inspector, I saw it on almost every jobsite I went to; I even had a retaining wall contractor try to bribe me once with drugs and money.
Hey, OCM, I was a jazz DJ in college at WUFT-FM in Gainesville, FL, a 100,000 watt NPR
affiliate. I know how your son felt; I used to do the same thing. I mean, what else are you gonna do during a 20 minute Eric Dolphy or Coltrane song during the 11pm-2am shift but turn up the monitors, go out on the stairwell and burn a ?
03/01/2005 at 09:58 PM
