Pebble East, Pebble West, Does The EPA Know Best?

 

1. Blaine, Washington is 2438 miles from King Salmon, Alaska, on Bristol bay.

   Cantwell called on the Environmental Protection Agency to consider using the Clean Water Act to prohibit or restrict large-scale development around the bay if it would harm the world-class salmon-producing rivers in the region.
   

   Fuck you, bitch.

   I have an idea. Ship the tailings to China, or better yet, Russia--they like sticking to the Chins when they can. They have miles of land that looks like the surface of Io, that thanks to the failure of teh glorious Communist state, they were/are incapable of cleaning up ans which will be uninhabitable for millennia because of nuclear testing and mining.

   Fuck the EPA.

   Posted by cbullitt       09/18/2011  at  07:14 AM  



2. Haven’t we seen that the stupid caribou actually love the oil pipeline because it is WARM? Hasn’t hurt them and with some sensible work (that’s called compromise/unity) a mid way solution could be worked out.

   But the EPA still uses 1900s era pictures of strip mining and gins up the stupid people to scream - OH NO.

   Salmon are great, have loved to consume them since I was a small child - however, I don’t think a road over their vaulted stream in the middle of nowhere is going to destroy the salmon at all - just don’t dump your crap into the river and we can all be happy.

   I’m sick of a bunch of whiny eco-wackos ruining the life of everyone else while they fly around in their gulf streams (and we could not even afford to drive to our daughter’s wedding) telling business what it can and can’t do.

   Until the Goracle sells all his huge homes and jets and the EPA/environmentalists hold China et al to STRONGER standards than the US - I won’t believe it is nothing more than a leftest attempt to CONTROL and have POWER over their fellow citizens (mostly the working ones). And I won’t buy into it - I recycle - I’m doing my part. [Tried to watch even an hour of the Goracles Death by Powerpoint - what a load of crap - I think I went to sleep by the second frame]

   Bite Me. And then Drill Baby Drill.

   Posted by wardmama4       09/18/2011  at  09:22 AM  



3. I am rather mixed over this. The mining industry is not noted for its environmental record. The mines will trash an area then declare bankruptcy,, leaving the federal governernment to clean it up, that means we pay! I would like to see the mine go into production, with significant escrow fees for the inevitable clean-up. Don’t forget, there are still coal mines burning in Pennsylvania and have been for 50 years.

   Posted by Steve_in_CA       09/18/2011  at  11:04 PM  



4. Steve - I agree to a point - I remember the orange trees around the Alcoa mines in MT - even as a kid I knew that was very wrong. But there are lines that can be drawn somewhere between strip mining, burning coal mines - and not being able to do anything - to keep America from becoming a 3rd World cesspool.

   And as I said, if the very people who were proclaiming holier-than-thou eco-wackisms - weren’t living larger than 90% of the people I know - that would be a whole other thing. Seems to me it is a just another Do-As-I-Say-Not-As-I-Do liberal attempt to Control and have Power over business and the working people of this country.

   Once again - Bite Me and Drill Baby Drill.

   Posted by wardmama4       09/19/2011  at  07:06 AM  



5. Wardmama4, I don’t disagree, I think we should harvest our natural resourses. I am just leery of companies promises to not affect the environment turning out to be hollow. As much as I agree with libertarian priciples, I still think human nature is to take what is there and fuck the consequences. It frightens me and I am very far from being a tree hugger.

   Posted by Steve_in_CA       09/19/2011  at  08:35 AM  



6. I think the mine ought to be allowed, as long as it has minimal impact. And I mean minimal, not “0.00000000000000001%” the way the EPA has forced the coal mines to be. Dig the stuff up and haul it a few dozen miles away from the watershed to process it. Find some dry valley and build a dam across the end, then start dumping at the other. If we really are talking tens or hundreds of billions in profit, a couple dozen million spent to build a decent dam is peanuts.

   But if they have followed all the rules, only to have this lady from WA move the goalposts, then BITE ME. The EPA is already more out of control than the IRS and BATFE combined. Did you know that the EPA is ARMED??? Tell me WTF they need guns? Or a Most Wanted List, which they also have!

   Posted by Drew458       09/20/2011  at  02:29 PM  

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