over the edge: by their words you shall know them
on 10/20/2013 at 08:15 PM
Where are a good slander and treason trial when you need one? Of course these people - who under Wilson - imprisoned women for wanting to vote and those who ‘spoke’ against the government and under FDR - imprisoned Japanese for just being of Japanese origin - and somehow the Tea Party - is evil.
Takes one to pretend to know one.
No wait - better - Project much Democrats?
Wardmom ... Please keep in mind the era and the temper of the times you speak of re. FDR.
Yes, the treatment of Japanese citizens was wrong from where we are in 2013. It was just as wrong then. But Americans didn’t see it quite that way.
FEAR!!! Fear will contribute much to things we look at and ask , how can a govt. do that to loyal citizens? They (our govt. of the day) very seriously believed that the Japanese (Americans) were not to be trusted, and their loyalty was to the emperor and Japan. They really did see those poor folks as a threat. AND ... the pictures and newsreels of the day showing the attack on Pearl brought home to many, the idea that Japan might easily attack our west coast, and be supported by Japanese in the USA.Meanwhile here in the UK, very many Germans who did not support the Hitler govt, were jailed anyway, as a precaution. Italians too, and a good many other foreigners as well.
They were not always housed in very nice conditions either. Germans who were Brit citizens and living here for generations were not treated as well as they could have been although at least they didn’t round em all up and place them in camps on the same scale as the USA.In the first war, almost everyone with a German sounding name was attacked, some people went so far as to even kill dogs. The Dachshunds in particular.
The English royal family changed its name because of their German background.
And Battenberg became Mountbatten, speaking now of Lord Louis Mountbatten, who later was murdered by IRA terrorists.I am not defending FDR but merely pointing out he acted in what for those times was perfectly normal and logical.
And she is pointing out that these acts were done by Democrats.
Yes, things were different back in Once Upon A Time Days. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus or something like that, so the story goes. Although he DIDN’T arrest the press, many of whom who were quite critical of him.
Drew ... yes indeed. But also done with approval from our side. Because almost everyone feared them enough to do what was done. All water under the bridge now.
Off topic now, curious. Has the wasp problem now been solved? Your early description of them and the numbers were quite graphic. So between the deer and now the wasp thing, what next?
Drew I take exception to FDR/Japanese - I live in Cincy - predominant German population (esp in that era) - and along comes WWII - my paternal family all German descendants - not any prejudice or tension. However, it just might be why my Dad resigned from the Army to join the Navy - just might, never even knew to ask. It was/is and always will be areas dominated by the ‘tolerant’ Democrats that are the least tolerant. And their leaders too.
Oops that was Peiper not Drew - sorry guys.
No problem. My German grandmother’s family had public sentiment against them in WWI, but I’ve never heard if they also did in WWII. I think by then people had figured things out, plus that would be another generation born here, plus European immigrants in those days very often made a huge effort to become Americans. The old melting pot thing ... because they knew life in the Old Country sucked. So they gave up nearly everything about being German. And Swedish. And English. And got busy being Americans, and making money.
Drew .. yes on the melting pot. My grandfather’s eyes would tear up at parades when the stars and stripes went by. He never understood why Americans wanted to travel and see Europe, he was so glad to get away. Of course, his experience as a European youth was far different. The German immigrants most especially were among the most fervent patriots and made up the majority of immigrants to the USA, so I have read. But many were given a hard time in the period of WW1. England especially hard on them with burned shops and attacks etc. Of course, they were right across the channel so to them I guess it really was next door and so they saw a greater threat and not just from Germans but many looked askance at almost any foreigner. Fear will do that to ppl. WW2 not quite so bad by then but still lots of folks locked up on mere suspicion with no proof. And Brits don’t hide that. They have written books on the subject.
10/21/2013 at 10:43 AM
