Once More Into The Breach
I posted a perfect editorial cartoon re this. It’s all a damned game now. Sans refs or rules.
Posted by Steel Turman
03/28/2005 at 11:51 AM
I’m not sure I understand the point of the Boortz piece. I don’t think this anything to do with religion either. As I see it, the law has failed this poor woman and her parents. So people are right to want to have Terri removed by force from the hospice. I would have loved to have seen that.
Regarding that doctor’s commentary, I disagree with the part about ignoring the husband’s adultery. Adultery is universally condemned as a big no no. And rightfully so. The man clearly does not have Terri’s best interests at heart. He may have even been responsible for Terri’s collapse. After all, bulimics, or healthy women don’t suddenly become vegetables for no reason. So I fail to see why any rational or humane judge would rule in his favor.
In his commentary piece on Worldnetdaily.com, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach wrote that in Judaism, the sanctity of life is what’s important, as opposed to the subjective “quality of life” which secular humanists go on and on about. And I totally agree with him.
I love Boortz, but there are severla really disturbing elements to this case that will probably never be examined:
1. Alan Keyes has a well-documented biography of George Greer on his web site (archived now) that is chilling. Greer was a corrupt county commissioner who became a judge with no knowledge of Florida law. In a case like Terri’s, where the husband has a financial stake in his wife’s death, the judge should come down on the side of life.
2 There are disturbing stories that George Felos is a contributor to Felos’ re-election campaigns and may have judge-shopped to get this case before Greer. And, contrary to George Felos, death by starvation and dehydration is just not pleasant or beautiful; it’s barbaric. Surely Michael could hava allowed her parents to have assumed responsibility for her care.Posted by mcharrison18
03/28/2005 at 02:19 PM
Well mercy mercy me. I don’t know about Boortz. Sounds like whining and a call for appeasement to me. Is Boortz a Frenchman?
Yeah, don’t stand up and do or say anything that the socialists(Dems) might use against you or you may lose your majority. Sounds like a surrender monkey to me.
Now then, the part about the christian bashing, as far as I’m concerned it’s just a dandy thing to call a jackass a jackass and Randall Terry fits the bill. What he’s doing is just plain stupid and nothing more than showboating. Using a 10 year old, and getting the kid arrested, someone please bitch slap Randall and the parents. If someone was to do that with the stated purpose of cluebatting a idiot, not to many christians are going to get offended. We have enough common sense to recognize idiocy in action and would agree with a little moonbat stompage. Boortz is wrong, just because a handful call it christian bashing doesn’t mean the majority do. He is overstating his point.
I think Boortz is also wrong on about Jeb. What I heard on Fox last night is that Jeb did have a team ready but did not and would not send them in without a court order. He did not get the court order, they did not go in, and thank God Jeb, like a good man, followed the rule of law.
He is also wrong about congress. The constitution gives congress the power to order the courts to investigate any case. Congress acted on that, the Fed courts found that Florida courts did the right thing. Ba Bing, done deal. Boortz said the American people ”are overwhelmingly disgusted with the eagerness of the Republican Party to pass one specific law relating to one specific issue with one specific individual ... all to pander to the anti-abortion movement. This is not something they will soon forget”. Horsecrap. The only people OVERWHELMINGLY DISGUSTED are the same socialists that spend their every waking moment in that state. Another exaggeration. There is nothing wrong with the Fed courts taking a look at the case to make sure Terri’s civil rights were not violated.
Boortz’s last paragraph is more crap. What does Boortz think has been happening to Bush’s judicial nominee’s for the past few years. They have been filibustered by the Dems, thats what. The Repub stance on Terri is going to change that? BWAH HA HA HA HA HA. So what are we supposed to do, pull out the national, white, surrender flag of France, and go begging to the socialists, crying appeasement. GRRRRR, no way.
When the dust settles out from all this I think that Americans will think conservatives erred on the side of life. That the conservatives did everything within the law that they could and lost, and that their actions were correct. Boortz’s prediction of a shit storm would only happen if Jeb took Randall’s advise, ignored the courts, and took the law into his own hands.
The Dems that are screaming the loudest are looking like they are pushing death and they will continue to look that way because they can’t keep their mouths shut. You watch, Carl Rove and other Repub strategists will make hay of this in 2006. I’m not very worried.
As for Terri. I feel horrible about that poor girl. But as it stands now, she’s going to die unless God does something dramatic.
LisaR and LC Geno, the point of the Boortz piece is that when any “cause” gets hijacked by whack-job extremists/activists on the right or the left, they make it worse for the very cause they are trying to fight for. Plain and simple, a few Bible-thumping types have now given the rest of the Conservative movement a bad name. I’m a conservative, but I don’t agree with the Christian right agenda; they do not have sole claim to be the definers of what Conservatism is. Having said that, there are those who will say I’m Christian bashing. It’s the same as the gays: If you question any part of their radical agenda, they conveniently label you a “homophobe.” What a convenient way to stop a debate before it ever gets started. It’s the same as the border issue: If you want to stop the illegals, well, then, you must be a racist.
It’s not surrendering to the socialist Dems, Geno. It’s about how the ones in the middle perceive things. Like it or not, perception is reality, and the Leftist MSM will take this and run with it for all they can get. Part of winning a war is knowing the enemy and not playing into their hands. It’s not right, but that’s the way it is. I look at these Bible thumping whack-jobs using their kids for publicity stunts in the same way I look at the far left whack-jobs: I want nothing to do with them. They don’t speak for me. Many will not vote Republican because of this. I now feel more strongly than ever that the far right whackos need their own party.
A note for those who cite the Bible as a source for supporting an argument: Find another way to support your argument. The Bible has no bibliography or footnotes. What other book would you cite as source material that has no supporting documentation? Citing the Bible only works when you are “preaching to the choir;” most people will not accept, “It says so in the Bible,” as a legitimate way to support an argument, regardless of whether you “know” it is the “Truth.”
I said from the outset that when in doubt, we should err on the side of life, and I can make the argument without once referring to God or the Bible. That will go a lot further with “non-believers” and infidels than merely saying, “It’s wrong because the Bible says _________.” That is how a simpleton argues. It’s also how the Church controlled Europe for hundreds of years after the fall of the Roman Empire: Keep ‘em stupid and docile, and they are easier to manipulate. No thanks; give me logic and reason, and then I will listen.
INC: thank you, thank you, thank you. I couldn’t have said it better if I had tried. Actually I think that is exactly what I have been saying all along.
Oh, one more thing. LC Geno asks: “...What does Boortz think has been happening to Bush’s judicial nominee’s for the past few years. They have been filibustered by the Dems, thats what. The Repub stance on Terri is going to change that?”
The question should be, “Is this going to make it any easier?” My approach is to not give the opposition a reason.
AH HORSECRAP!
You stand up and fight for what you believe in and what you think is right. You don’t go run and hide like Boortz because someone claims that you may be in bed with Randall Terry & Co.
As for the filibuster, give those rat shit eating socialists ten reasons, chew their leg off and beat’em with it. They are going to filibuster one way or the other. Again you don’t run from something because the opposition may be given a reason to take action against you. You fight the SOB’s tooth and nail.
If you can make a good argument for life then do it. I agree, you can make a good arguement for Terri based on civil rights with out religious reference. Boortz sounds to me like, don’t say anything because someone may think that your arm in arm with Randall Terry. Thats BULLSHIT. You make your arguement because it is the right thing to do. You stand by Terri Shivo because it is the right thing to do. You don’t appease the left with silence like Boortz wants.Give the middle ground some credit. Both you and Allan are what I would consider right of center. You are a part of that middle ground. You are smarter than that, and are not going to allow Randall Terry to highjack shit. I know that I sure as hell ain’t. MSM and Randall Terry both be damned if I will.
Boortz is being a pussy, Randall Terry is a idiot, and the MSM can get fucked! I’m going to keep saying that what is happening to Terri Shivo is flat damn wrong!
Pardon my French here, but fuck Randall Terry; he’s a pathetic sideshow. The point here is that a woman who cannot speak for herself, who may or may not rehabilatable is being slowly killed in a most barbaric way for no reason other than her adulterous husband’s convenience. And, whether or not you believe in God, we should be doing much better by her. Boortz is fond of telling his listeners not to accept what he says as gospel truth. He is wrong, wrong,wrong on this one. The MSM and blue staters are already convinced that all red staters are Bible-thumping fundamentalists and nothing will ever change their minds about that. Fuck them too, what is happening here is nothing less than murder by judiciary.
Posted by mcharrison18
03/28/2005 at 09:28 PM
I took the position of wanting Terri to be allowed to live because I felt that it was the right thing to do. I stated my opinion on another thread and was among those referred to by another poster as a “religious zealot”. After seeing my reply and others, the poster reconsidered the zealotry comment, but it shows how willing/eager people are to apply the label. Even if it doesn’t stick.
In truth, I was disappointed to see some of the wack-jobs that flocked to the support of Terri and the rhetoric that they were spewing. It made me want to disassociate myself from the cause.
I have no problem with people and their kids offering themselves up to arrest in their peaceful protest. They had it all arranged with the police in advance and offered no violence. The kids were released after a ride to the police station, the adults had to put up bail on trespassing charges. No big deal.
I do have a problem with those with an extremist agenda using this horrible event for their own purposes. Yeah, Randall Terry is one of them and the more he rants the further away I want to be from the whole thing.
I still think that Micheal Schiavo, his lawyer and their pet judge have some serious karma coming their way. It’s just a shame that it will be too late for Terri.
You all know how I feel about the Schiavo case.
All I’ll say is that I agree with LC Geno on all points-and I’m NOT a fundamentalist!
Btw Geno-Thanks for “Awesome God”.
As a musical person myself-I can’t get that song out of my head-and that’s a GOOD thing
Posted by Annoying Little Twerp
03/28/2005 at 09:41 PM
Atta Girl ALT!
I understand what Boortz is saying, but, the people that are still standing outside the hospice are the last of the defenders. These are bound to be the extreamists. It’s too much of a hastle for the “main stream” conservatives to keep fighting.
That doesn’t mean that their message is wrong. The state, medical establishment, etc. does not have the right to starve a citizen to death.
There is no excuse why she cannot be hydrated. None.
Now we need to turn the anger over “state intervention into private matters” and focus on all of the areas of our life that the .gov has touched. I.e. property rights, libraries full of regulations, free speach, hell - seatbelt laws!!
The free people of the United States of America must put a stop to government intervention.
Posted by Tacberry
03/29/2005 at 08:08 AM
03/28/2005 at 06:25 PM
