Oh Boo Hoo
on 04/17/2013 at 05:30 PM
Poor little barry, the affirmative action preezzy of the steezzy. He is not used to losing, since he got everything handed to him. That is why affirmative action does not work.
When I called my senator yesterday, his aid said that it was 8 to 1 vote no, vote yes, with most of the vote yes calls coming from out of state. I don’t know where the purple lip gets his stats, but with a ratio like that, it is not 90%. Freedom won, but we can’t let up.
This BS legislation might have saved “One Life”, but it would have cost thousands of lives by leaving innocent people defenseless. Why don’t you send your bad ass DHS into the gang areas in all the major cities and confiscate their guns? Or would Eric Holder not let you do that to “his People”?. If it’s bad for you it’s good for America.
The always excellent Mark Steyn did breakdown of the costs of the Canadian gun registry (subsequently abandoned now I believe)
There is a copy here $750 and still there were thousands of unregistered guns, million can you imagine how much the US equivalent would cost? Oh and I can just imagine the size of the queues for criminals to register their guns! What a waste of time and money.That should be $750 million.
The proposal would have expanded background checks to gun shows and Internet sales while exempting personal transactions.
I’m lost on something here. Don’t they already have something like that?
OK, clue me please cos I’m wondering what’s wrong with checks on internet sales? Although how a very accurate check can be made is also beyond me.
What exactly was meant by, “expanded background checks”? Expand how far?
Some folks are against background checks of any kind. OK, then how do we determine where the safety line is? I mean, sure. Nut cases aren’t gonna sign up to checks. But there’s many who aren’t off the rails but who have the kind of background that might make you nervous if they lived next door and owned guns. Criminals aren’t going to register anything, we all know that. So is the answer no record or registration at all of anyone who owns a gun? It’s my understanding even based on Christopher’s recent post about his wait time on a gun buy he made. So obviously he’s being checked. Is that correct?
For LyndonB:
The Canadian Firearms Registry has not been abandoned, only the expanded portion of records that covered unrestricted weapons (longarms) has ceased operations to collect information about new purchases.
Maintainers of the several copies of the database were instructed by the Federal government to delete the records pertaining to unrestricted weapons. I read the law about that, and there is no oversight to ensure this action is carried out, nor is there any penalty written into the law for maintainers that do not delete those records. Further, there was nothing at all stopping any police agency from doing a massive bulk query prior to the law to pull down each and every longarm registry record into their own in-house databases, nor against their continued use of that.
Sure, the data will get older and more unreliable over time, but… there it is.
The Province of Quebec also sued the federal government to not delete the Quebec specific records, so the Province could acquire and set up their own database, something that they are not permitted by the separation of powers to do. ONLY the Federal government has the power to regulate firearms, but this has been repeatedly weakened through surrounding powers Provinces have created for themselves over natural resources (hunting, fishing, etc...) They just regulate everything surrounding the USE of a firearm in their jurisdiction, so now they need the information. *sighs*
Every firearms owner (or even person wanting to possess/borrow a firearm from a lawful owner) must be licensed by the Federal Government; and they urge those licensed to keep their address up to date so that their 5 year license renewal notices can reach them in the mail.
Through these mechanisms, they can still easily know (or figure out) where every lawfully owned firearm is located. If you know where the owners are, and they’re strictly regulated on where/how they may store, plus you know where the fish/gun clubs are that might also store weapons for owners....
So no, in my mind, the longarm portion of the registry hasn’t been truly abandoned in truth, only lip service has been paid to that.
It’s a step in the right direction, but it’s a baby-step with miles to go to actually recognize that free men have rights, and no government may infringe those without due process that is _just_.
More if you are interested is here at the RCMP site: Firearms Licensing in Canada
Yes Peiper there is background checks laws already on the books - that was what (actually) upset the NRA and pro-2nd Amendment people - I had a pdf break down of the Toomey et al mess - it skirted the line of - a gun registry. And as far as the family transactions - it also was too vague on who and what was going to be legal. In other words, it was a crap bill written in haste and with such broad and vague wording - it was dangerous.
I do not comprehend this:
at all. Maybe in the sphere of Chi’town thug politics - ‘the people’ can intimidate their senators - but locally - that is a joke. Our Dem (1 term, just to pass Ocare) - had calls 1000 to 1 (his office stat) against Ocare, and he still voted for it. He wasn’t voted out specifically for that, but because being a Catholic - he lied to his Catholic constituents about voting for gov financed/covered abortions. . . Which he then sued SB Anthony group for their ‘You Lied’ billboards - and went to Africa. Sadly, he didn’t stay. Most places in the US get a choice between foaming at the mouth liberal and Demlite. Or as Ann Coulter used to say - between arsenic and hemlock.the claims “upset” some gun owners who in turn “intimidated” senators
I am just saddened that 46 of the Senators did not uphold their oath to support and defend the Constitution. But a win, in this agenda driven time - is a win. And of course the moron, sorry maverick McAmnesty voted FOR it. And to think I voted for him.
Peiper - Yes, they already do. You are feeling confused because of the amount of smoke, mirrors and outright lies told by the left on this whole thing.
The federal government installed a nationwide software package called NICS - National Instant Criminal Background Search - back in November of 1998. If you buy a gun from any gun store, in any state you live in, the shop owner has to run a check on you. The deal is, in order to protect your freedom and to PREVENT a police state with national gun registration, the results of the search are only kept for 24 hours if you pass the check. One aspect of the background check looks at your mental health status, but only flags you if it is severe. In other words, did you spend more than X days in the loonie bin in the past Y years or something like that. After Newtown, a movement was made to expand the result storage time (perhaps to forever) and to flag on a much lesser level of aberrant mental health (perhaps even to “was on anti-depressant pills 2 years ago for 5 months").
Quite a number of states have added waiting periods, so that you won’t be able to have a fight with your ex, run down to the store, buy a gun and then run home and shoot a bitch “in the heat of the moment”. The downside of this part is that a woman under threat can not go get a gun to protect herself at the time she feels threatened. Many have wound up dead because of it. Smart women realize that you never know what the future may hold, and go get themselves several guns just in case.
So a background check system is already in place that works fairly well. And waiting periods are already in place as well.
This current bill was supposed to expand background checks to “stop internet sales” which is a partial misnomer. If you go out to a gun sales site, like GunsAmerica.com, and purchase a firearm, it is sold from one licensed gun dealer (FFL) to another. Buy a gun online through one of these places and it is shipped to your local gun shop. Show up to get it, and your local dealer does a NICS check on you, and your state applies the waiting period. What it would do - and don’t ask me how, as the logistics are nearly impossible to enforce - is to make personal firearms transactions go through the NICS process. So, if you were to be on a forum, or at some place like Craigslist or e-Bay, and see some guy’s “buy my gun, meet me in the parking lot” ad (as if they exist??), then the two of you would have to meet at a gun dealer and pay to have the NICS run.
The bill also sought to “close the gun show loophole” otherwise known as free commerce, and force those face to face transactions to also use NICS. Really dirty “statistics” were bandied about on this last aspect - you’ve heard the left say this is 40% of all gun sales, but you may not have heard that their number is based on a 20 year old survey of 250 people. I have not been to a gun show in a number of years, but I have heard that some of them are renting out a NICS terminal just for the show. True or not, no responsible pro-gun person wants to sell guns to criminals or crazy people. But not everyone is a perfect judge of moral character, and not everyone is a person of perfect moral character, so obviously somebody is selling guns to criminals.
The problem is, it’s impossible to risk-proof life. In order to have some degree of freedom for nearly all of us, we have to accept that a small amount of nefarious buying and selling (or even theft by arrangement) is going to take place. Draconian laws passed by “hoplophobic” (gun haters) in a hurry to Act Now!! always have unintended consequences (look at NY’s latest law requiring 7 round magazine that don’t even exist), and this expanded background checks bill was going to be another one. So the people fought back. Tens of millions of them, if not more, let their reps know that they wanted no part of this and would vote accordingly should such a measure pass. And so it failed. And the will of the people was triumphant, so Obama has his panties all twisted up and is off pouting in a corner like a baby.
Now if friggin’ Arizona would just STOP re-electing Harry Reid, maybe we could get the feds to just knock this shit off for a while. But he’s still there, still lying, still playing reindeer games in DC ... so this bill came come up for another vote at some point in the near future. OTOH, if it doesn’t get another vote in THIS session of Congress, it will have to be re-introduced and debated all over next time around. So this isn’t a total victory for us, just a delaying action. You can’t rest a second because the fascists will never give up.
Ya, what Drew said.
It was the first time I’ve ever seen Obama on tv and felt good at the same time! More please.
Arizona elected John McCain, and Nevada elected Harry Reid.
Nice catch Macker, I think Drew was in Full Froth mode on that rant,Heh.
Drew might have been in Full Froth mode on rant - but damn it was good - and actually I think he was right AZ needs to stop electing the ‘maverick’ McAmnesty and NV needs to stop electing the senile Reid. Can’t believe Reid voted NAY.
Then there is just another 543 left to clear out - Term Limits Baby! It’s the only way to fix this lifer mentality and above the law mentality among Congress critters.
The only way to avoid a 4473 and NICS is a face to face transaction. It could be your next door neighbor, why is it different if it’s on the interweb? If it crosses state lines (for a pistol) it has to be shipped to an FFL and a 4473 and NICS done there. Already. This is federal law. A long gun can usually be bought one state over like it’s in your state, but that varies by state. Still, only one state over, and if it’s at an FFL, 4473 & NICS. The “gun show loophole” is a myth, pure and simple. Any FFL at a gun show must still do the 4473 and NICS just as if you were standing in their brick & mortar store. Been there, done that, got the, um, rifle. If you happen to meet some random schmuck at a gun show that has something to sell, you can buy it with no paperwork. Or so I’m told ;)
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