“I’m Ashamed of this House”

 

1. The Dems are now working by stealth (attaching their universal healthcare and Shamnesty bills as ammendments), cheating (this whole thing is an utter debacle - only made less worse by the fact other governmental ‘houses’ have seen the same nonsence too, and finally by ignoring the rules.

   This Congress will destroy their ‘legacy’ without any help from the msm or the people - the Republicans caved (which is why the 2006 DNC win) way too often and let it come to this - now that the DNC is bashing everyone and everything over the head - the few straight up RNC are fighting back or at least holding firm - and the whole process is going to h***.

   3% favorable on the DNC and OIF - let’s just see how long after this debacle the 16% favorable holds for Congress - bet we see single digits - if not before the break - after when they really dig in for the Last Stand Battle.

   And hopefully, it will mean in November 2008 - the DNC will experience it’s biggest loss in History.

   But like all moonbats, lunatics and the various up-in-smoke crowd - they will blame election fraud, intimidation and everyone/anyone else but their own rabid, socialist and insane behavior from 2000 to 2008.

   Posted by wardmama4       08/04/2007  at  08:27 AM  



2. We had better voting procedural control on my 6th grade student council. What a bunch of crap. Fire the whole damn lot of them pronto.

   * No ammendments that are not directly germaine to the original bill.

   * No voice vote. Every vote on anything is recorded so your constituents know what you voted for.

   * Votes cast are “written in stone”. You’re grownups now; “do over” gets left behind in the little kiddie’s sandbox.

   Posted by Drew458       08/04/2007  at  09:01 AM  



3. Watching the little video ... a clerk with a piece of paper holding the (manually counted?) tally? What century are these guys in?

   Posted by Drew458       08/04/2007  at  09:06 AM  



4. one of the mistakes our founding fathers made in my opionion was that the sole purpose of Congress was to make laws. There should of been a clause on page one that stated “If it ain’t broken, then don’t fix it”

   I have been in court several times and there are so many precedents and laws that many judges today are basically flipping a coin when deciding on cases

   Posted by earth56       08/04/2007  at  10:19 AM  



5. No more amendments. Period. If you want something, ask for it out in the open, like a responsible member of the human species. If it needs hidden, there’s a good chance that it shouldn’t be there. FULL DISCLOSURE. Show the full bill for a week or 10 days before a vote comes up. If it’s an emergency bill that has to be put through, no earmarks. no amendments.
   They have made congress too damn easy to manipulate. Pure parliamentary procedure.
   
   Oh, and the reason for a manual headcount? Too damn hard to teach congressmen new ways to tally votes, too damn hard to manipulate.

   Posted by Doctor DETH       08/05/2007  at  12:07 AM  



6. The vote tally is recorded electronically at the (nominally non-partisan) clerk’s desk and when time is up (usually 15-20 minutes, but the chair may move to add more time to the clock) he records the final vote tally at his desk at that moment and hands it up to the Chair for the vote is announced.  Members will often keep casting votes until the electronic registers stop accepting votes, even changes to their previous vote.  Vote changes after the clerk’s tally aren’t supposed to count but the registers will keep recording them until the Chair gavels voting closed.

   So tally up on the screen may not agree with the tally the clerk recorded at the moment time ran out.  By long tradition that vote tally is recorded as the final vote - but traditions were made to be broken.  What happened was the Democrat leadership wanted the bill to fail so they signaled the chair to gavel the vote closed as soon as they saw the display tally shift to their favor.  He didn’t wait for the clerk to hand him the tally sheet but used the count up on the board to declare the amendment failed.

   The donks realized they screwed up and tried to hide this by deleting the vote so it never happened.  That way the clerk’s tally sheet wouldn’t be entered into the record and they could “lose” the slip of paper.  However Rep. Blunt made sure he got a look at it before it disappeared into Never-Neverland and it showed the amendment passed 215-214.

   I could be charitable and say the Chair simply screwed up but it goes deeper than that:  the Democrats have been trying to run the House like the old Soviet Poliburo since they took control in January and the procedures and traditions of the House have been working against them.  The clerk’s tally slip is supposed to stop this very thing from happening and they’ve slipped up in public.  It’s like a magician trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat with the rabbit cage under the table in full view of the audience.

   Posted by Orion       08/05/2007  at  05:52 AM  



7. Nancy’s “leadership team will create the most honest and ethical Congress in history”
   That’s what she gets paid to say.

   Posted by Officer Pupp       08/05/2007  at  11:17 PM  

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