“How close were we to seeing an armed nuclear conflict?”
on 07/29/2007 at 07:05 AM
I, too, say BS. Here’s the reason - we want to catch the Norks and the mullahs with their hands in each other’s pocketses, my precious! We want to capture a Nork vessle with nuke shit on it, crew as intact as possible. Oh, puhleeze let that happen! A nice SEAL op, take the ship, display the ship, crew and gear - hell, haven’t had somthing that good since 1961!
A ship full of nuke stuff hit by two torpedoes would be blown apart enough to risk spilling crap into the sea. The consequences would be wrtched. Innavigable areas where we need all the room we can get, pollution out the ying yang, little or no evidence of the bad guys’ misdeed. Nope. BS!
As little confidence I have in the main stream press, if it were true, this story is too big for not only the American press but the world press not to report.
A quick look at the sites affiliated with the report, looks to me like they will post anything to sell some of their doomsday products.
Wasn’t there some bigdeal raghead yammering away about how something was going to happen in Lebanon around July 15? And wasn’t Syria itself urging it’s citizens to get out of Lebanon by that date? Why yes, they were! Wasn’t there also some reports of a Syrian “invasion” at about the same time? How quickly we forget.
And the sinking ship story raises my BS meter too. Well the cargo at least, since it does appear that a NorK ship called the Orchid Sun did actually sink there at that time. But secretly carrying weapons grade ore and so forth? Well, how about scrap iron actually?
Funny how the US would run a major Black Op like this and then tell people. And if it was all so hush-hush, a)how did anyone know the submarine was one of ours, and b)how did the story get out at all? 100+ miles off the coast is way over the visual horizon. Not to mention that the Norks likely don’t have enough plutonium to export (or even make their own nukes go boom properly) ... and I seem to recall that the news about them shutting down their nuclear program happened just the other day, although they announced they were going to do so back on the 16th.
I think the tinfoil brigade is trying to create another urban legend.
Bubbleheads isn’t much of a debunking source. Their article ascribes apha radiation as the primary for uranium claiming that uranium would not,therefore,be detectable. whereas Uranium emits Gama radiation, and was the source for the discovery of gama radiation in 1900.
Lets hope is BS, but lets also keep a weather eye on this one.
The mad mullahs might be crazy, but thy are not totally stupid. An admission by tem would be an invitation to invasion. An admission by NK would harm the negotiations there, As would an admission by the USA.
This is chess, and we are the pawns.This link is supposedly about te first ship.
http://www.seafarers.org/HeardAtHQ/2007/Q2/kanawha.xmlMilitary Sealift Command fleet replenishment oiler USNS Kanawha helped rescue 16 crew members from a disabled North Korean-flagged merchant ship in the Arabian Sea June 25.
Kanawha and French warship Jai Laxmai at 6:26 p.m. local time Monday. The ship, which was in danger of sinking, had a disabled diesel engine and was anchored by a weak mooring line in unstable sea conditions, with 10-foot waves and 27-knot winds. Jai Laxmai also reported that there was no food or water aboard and that the ship was unable to deploy its lifeboats to evacuate the crew.
Another article on the sun.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2007/July/middleeast_July205.xml§ion=middleeast&col=You never really know the whole story though. I ran across a bit of info MANY years ago that we had developed a system that could track fissionables anywhere on earth or within 10,000 or 15,000 miles of the planet.
It involved neutrino emissions (that pass right through the earth like it was a vacuum) and a system some of our astronomers and physicists built that was supposed to be used for neutrino capture from outer space. They kept having problems with it picking up neutrino emissions from fissionable decay on earth and there was some write-ups in the trade magazines and then the whole thing kind of disappeared. I tried to find out more when I was in school but I ran into a “classified” wall.
I suspect that this may have been how we actually tracked this stuff (if we did), but there are secrets and there are secrets…
I call Bunk.. if it was true the media here would be all over it saying “look how our evil military sunk that North Korean Merchant vessel..
The NEST detectors that we use have a range of a few miles, and can detect even a moderately shielded source of radiation (including fissionables) at that range. They look like a 6 ft by 8 ft box and can be seen strung between the skids in civilian marked-helicopters flying by near most major ports. 10,000 to 15,000 miles? not likely. Otherwise we wouldn’t still be sending up satellites equipped to detect ICBM exhaust plumes....
The system would look for the emission halos from quantities of fissionables above a certain mass. It would be really good a picking up production and movement of masses like trucks carrying it to a hardened launch site or an airliner or cargo ship carrying a bomb overseas. Not specific bombs or missiles at liftoff. It would give us a locus to concentrate on to watch for such activity.
Not only that, the gov’t surely wouldn’t want the world to know they have such a system so they’d keep the older devices in public usage so as not to give away the goods.
The “Looking Glass” Cosmic Detector system originally consisted of a large array of super-cooled helium tanks lined with sensors that were buried deep in underground mines. The system really did exist at one time again as an attempt for Astronomers to look for Cosmic Rays and Neutrino’s coming from deep outer space. When I was looking into the whole thing in college (my major was physics) I was just amazed at how quickly the whole thing vanished into secrecy back in the early 80’s.
07/29/2007 at 06:18 PM
