Great Inventions
Try checking the scientific journals now. Any Arab name is likely someone living in the USA. But it is true, they had a splendid culture when we in the West were in squalid mud huts.
And many things we look back on as barbaric, including Mohammed’s rules for marriage, were actually improvements over the customs of the time, when women had the rights of sheep & goats. Under Islam, they at least have SOME rights.
e.g. “An eye for an eye” was an improvement—limiting punishment to the damage done. Not ALWAYS death.
Posted by Oink
03/11/2006 at 10:33 AM
Oink I may be miles off here but wasn’t an eye for an eye originally in the code of Hammurabi? This predates islam by many centuries. Not that I am disputing the fact that the arabs did come up with quite a lot of useful inventions. However not lately!
In fact the Ottomans sent ambassadors into the West to try and find out why they were becoming a second rate power compared the infidels who seemed to go from strength to strength. I imagine none of them had the guts to tell the Sultan “It’s our religion stupid!” What they need is a good dose of enlightenment, but I don’t see it happening somehow. I think most of them enjoy being despots and bullies and sitting on their arses while the women do all their work.
I mainly keep posting just to see what my avatar will be this time.
Probably true, LBJ. But still an example of ‘enlightenment’ at the time. For example, the guillotine was seen as humane improvement, at the time.
We Christians cheerfully ignore some of the barbaric stuff in our “Old Testament”. It’s not the Islamicists religion per se, but their application of it in their cultures. And using The State to enforce it.
Posted by Oink
03/11/2006 at 10:57 AM
I didn’t want to work your side of the street.
Posted by Oink
03/11/2006 at 11:12 AM
Its the knockabout stuff between OCM and Oink that brings me back to this website time after time. You two should form a double act.
You’re right Oink, we have a tendency to overlook some of the barbarism in our past. I agree it is the application in many middle eastern cultures that seems to bring out the worst in them.
This article is mostly bilge:
3) Chess came from India by way of Persia...the variants which make
the final version of the modern form in fact came during its later
introduction to Europe ‘the game of the mad queen’. By the way
trying calling a Persian/Iranian an Arab.
http://www.chesshere.com/resources/chess_history.php5) To claim that ‘washing and bathing’ were invented by the Arabs is
clearly a crock of shit.6) Alchemy was invented by the Arabs, which may have preceded modern
chemistry but is in no way the same.7) and who was Archimedes? Or, any of the Greek and Roman machine
makers?8) In other words, it wasn’t invented by the Arabs.
10) Check out Greek and Roman era surgical tools and techniques.
The Romans used, for example, silver staples for closing wounds.12) In other words it wasn’t invented by the Arabs: Ancient peoples in India, China, and Persia observed permanent immunity following recovery from smallpox and reasoned that innoculation with the dried crusts of pustules. Most worked, but occasionally some persons died from a full blown case of smallpox.)
13) or maybe not. It’s unclear, but others tried before him in any case.
14) In other words positional notation was invented by the Indians, the symbology
we use was designed by some Arabs, the concept wasn’t invented by them.15) Excuse me while I heap scorn: the Arabs invented EATING! and, strangely
the Corning Glass museum has a cut crystal goblet used by Nero in its collection.17) I’m extremely skeptical the Chinese didn’t have the concept of the bank draft
far earlier than the Arabs, or the Romans, or the Indians.18) Earth round: The Greek philosopher Aristotle (384-322 BC) argued in his writings that the Earth was spherical, because of the circular shadow it cast on the Moon, during a lunar eclipse. Another reason was that some stars visible from Egypt are not seen further north The full quotation can be found here.
19) So it wasn’t invented by the Arabs...and the rocket is well known to have
been invented in China.20) Scorn: “invented the garden”! “Hanging gardens of Babylon” just for starters.
Posted by Ozeki
03/11/2006 at 01:16 PM
The Arabs ruled in Astronomy—there are many stars with Arabic names. They came up with the concept of ZERO (& ‘place’)in math (I bet others did too). Sounds simple to us, but it was as unreal as a hallucination to Westerners.
They had the only non-Mud Hut culture in Europe—Spain—during our dark ages. And, compared to us, treated Jews with tolerance. Credit where credit is due. And When—700 years ago. Not so hot lately.
Posted by Oink
03/11/2006 at 01:52 PM
what a load of BOLLOCKS, how about catching up with the rest of the world NOW, you fucking shits, go blow, smash, burn, something up. and keep building things that make a point,
not.so we can dig them up 
tutam kar wernt a musie anyway,
I agree with Ozeki; the whole article is a crock of shit (which was another Arab invention I’m sure).
For starters it comes from the UK, a nation embracing dhimmitude as fast as they can and one whose major cities in large part have been owned by the shieks for decades.
The supposed enlightened age of arabia, when all these wonderful discoveries were made and literature was at some kind of high point? A huge part of this knowledge base was translations of Greek and Roman works, very often done by Jewish scholars. It’s out on the internet; look it up.
Point by point this article can be taken apart and many of these “inventions” can be found in wide-spread use in other cultures hundreds if not thousands of years before the arab golden age:
Invented coffee? Puh-lease. Perhaps they found some folks to buy the burned beans in the bottom of their water bowls and developed a market for it, but this is not the same thing as invention. And can you really invent a type of natural food?The parachute? Wanna bet? Remember that old fellow Deadulus and his boy? Sounds like he invented the hang glider to me, but it could have been nothing more than a big blanket with some rope (ie a parachute) and the rest grew in the telling of the tale. And don’t kid yourself he was the only one or even the first.
Soap? You mean cooking animal fat that fell in the ashes and got rained on (lye)? Probably around since before they invented water. Ancient peoples rubbed themselves down with fat every day to keep the bugs off. This soap stuff was just fat that didn’t go rancid quite so doon.
Distilation? Horse pucky. Ancient cultures all had essential oils used for magic or medicine. guess how they were made.
Innoculation? Yeah right; milkmaids have been around for 20,000 years at least I’m sure, and it doesn’t take much to figure out who the only folks in your village are you don’t get the pox. And if they invented it, why didn’t they actually use it? Arabia was just as devastated by pox as the rest of the world.
The 3 course meal? Oh God, my head is exploding! It’s called not having enough of one dish to feed everyone, but having a bit of several others. Like leftovers. Does “establishing a preference” for some style of eating now count as invention? That kind of reasoning is beyond thin.
Invented carpets? Gag me. What a crock. Perhaps they invented their own STYLE of carpet, which other folks liked and sought after. Ancient Egypt, China, Rome, etc had buildings with paved floors, the ability to weave, and could grow more wool then was needed just for clothing.
Gunpowder? Hello, ever heard of China? Folks “saltpetre” IS potassium nitrate. “Purified”?? The stuff comes from the bottom of the rotted shit pile. Literally! And gunpowder does not work without it. And they didn’t invent corning either, which is a simple process that makes the gunpowder stable, portable and more powerful. (corning is the “invention” of taking some horse piss, boiling it down a bit, and moistening the gunpowder with it. You can then roll out the dough and can safely cut it into same sized bits and let them dry. Those bits now all burn at the same rate and the powder does not unmix itself in the bag when you move it around. Corning increases the usability of blackpowder by orders of magnitude).
... and so on. If you allow such an extremely weak definition of “invention” then we’re all probably inventors. Ooh, I just invented toast cuz the bread got too close to the fire!
To old Catman:
Positional notation as I said was invented by the Indians, pure and simple,
no credit due the Arabs who got it from them. Double entry bookkeeping was
invented in the West.Shall we really consider ‘astronomy’ as a province of the Arabs? Like the Greeks,
Romans, Egyptians, and everybody else didn’t study the stars??The fact that many stars were named in the West after Arabic is a happenstance:
most of the constellations for example are named by the Greeks and Romans.History exists as a continuum...but for some things there are objective facts.
Posted by Ozeki
03/11/2006 at 02:53 PM
what the fuck did the sub get through to you drew,
i need some of the shit you are on , shiek who? london? get down to your arab ownd docks, your subs just come in, you fucking fool,now thats what i call dhimmitude. 
you narrow minded little piece of shit all yanks are like, drew458 why dont you preview before you post, im a Brit and i take that to hart,
drew 458
this is just bollocks, everyone knows OCMs greate great+ 0000000 invented the wheel, n pizza,
thanks OCM, just ordering mine through anouther great arab invention, tortuure, go get now, nice kid next door, comes from the USA, or is is mexico? ah well same shit anyway,good job the shiek who owns this town lets me get away with it
drew458 arrrrrrrrrrrgh you magot, the more i read your stupid post the more you piss me off, aint you got google, aint you got a fucking braine?who gives a fuck about chess?my dad invented the wooden bit, THE BOARD, black n white, where would yo be with out him A A A ?A,you yoo dhi dima dim WANKER,do you like chess ozike, your post (for starters)
And here’s the kind of technology the Assrabs would never invent…
http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/gadgets/index.blog?entry_id=1430986
I can’t hardly wait!!!
Bulldoggy you can take it to “hart” or heart any way you want ... and its still true. It’s the worst side of your national habit of muddling. Don’t like the tune? Run home and get the gov to change the music.
Disarming the populace of firearms, outlawing knives, turning the country into a voyuer’s fantasy where Big Brother has a camera up your skirt 24-7 no matter where you go, passing LAWS that make it a crime to criticize the moosies, et cetera. Catering, caving, spineless socialism. Well down the slippery slope to Dhimmi-land. You do understand what the word means, don’t you? Please, please, bring your counter arguments and news items if there has actually been an increase in freedoms over there. Just because fwance is worse doesn’t make y’all pure. Things aren’t perfect here either (except we all have jobs if we want them and drive cars actually big enough to sit in instead of on), though they are a damn sight better than some other places. Like yours.
While I didn’t get there on a sub, I was in the oh so wonderful London 20 years ago, and it was hard to find an Englishman in any of the better places. Wall to wall Saudis and Pakistanis. More Mohs in every shop than in a lawnmower factory. Has that changed? If so, good. Funny though, I keep reading about how it seems England has a screeching mullah on every third corner.
In all fairness, I’ve always been rather found of the old island, and am even descended from there a long time ago. And while I generally despise Blair, I respect that he could find the guts to send some troops into harm’s way when needed.
Now, if we here were so blessed that YOUR generalization “all yanks are like,” (I gather proper writing skills are taught just as poorly over there as they are here) was right, I think the world would be a lot quieter place. Several large smoking craters here and there, but generally a lot quieter. GWoT would have lasted about a week.
Any time you wanna cross verbal swords pub boy, bring it. But come down off the crack first please. Good reasoning and quality rhetoric or the dear Skipper may not let us play in his yard.
Unfortunately Drew is right. I can’t give away exactly what I do to earn a crust but I have inside knowledge on the way Britain is changing and believe me it’s not for the better. Bulldog you have no idea what is actually going on behind the scenes in Britain. If you swallow Blair and his moonbat wife’s multi-culti fantasy land tripe then you are sadly deluded. If I were you I would do what I plan to do and emigrate.
Great ripsote by the way Drew!
LBJ: That’s OK, keep it secret. My Dad’s pay envelope came with this statement: “Your pay is confidential between you and your employer. Please do not share it with fellow employees.” His response: “Don’t worry—I’m just as ashamed of it as you are...”
P.S. You’re not like Mycroft in “The Naval Treaty” are you?
Posted by Oink
03/12/2006 at 01:36 PM
Oink it’s interesting you should mention Mycroft. However I am not quite in that line of work though, you are closer than you realise!
Lazy, fat, & unsociable?
No, sorry, that was his nature in the earlier stories.
Posted by Oink
03/12/2006 at 03:58 PM
OINK: Ssshhhhh. Don’t tell anyone. LyndonB works for MI6. Here is a pic of him at work:
Gee, I can’t wait to read this book when it comes out. I wonder if any of what it says is actually true?
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/001627.html
( h/t via http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013394.php )
and it’s 458 because 451 and 455 aren’t big enough when you really want to get the lead out OCM.
LBJ: You’re not associated with any group named “Bloomsbury” are you?
Posted by Oink
03/12/2006 at 05:42 PM
pub boy back , some friends went to the US some place called LA , you are right there drew we got our pakis you got your niggers, what the fuck you trying to say? what crack? the sub was empty when it reached the uk, you tea leaf, might be better when the Arabs run your docks, maybe oink can help me with some real long words, how is this one drew458i5afuckingwanker, bit to long? maybe
’Long word’ for the day: articulate.
Help? How many Social Workers does it take to chane a light bulb? One.
But the light bulb must want to change.
JUST DO IT!
Posted by Oink
03/12/2006 at 08:40 PM
Drew458,having read you post again, with out loads of larger in me, you did have a valid point,
the foul language and name calling from me was uncalled for
i do apologize.
(22) sorry OCM ilike this one
the skipper put the cigar chomper one on,it is is a good one, but i found loads of others, boardom i gess, no work today.
03/11/2006 at 10:49 AM
