german patriots labeled terrorists and nazis. some no doubt are, but that’s hard to avoid

 

1. When we were in Germany the last time, as a family (left in 1989) - one of my husbands friends was married to a German woman. They were first time parents and their daughter was the same age as our youngest son. And we lived in the same building - so we became friends. She still stressed over every sneeze and boo boo but I enjoyed going grocery shopping with someone who spoke the language (better than I) and loved to watch their tv (not AFN) and eat home cooked German food.

   She however, spoke terribly about the Turks who were attempting to immigrate (think our southern border for their ‘immigration’ techniques). I thought that she was a bit rude and maybe, cut from the same cloth as WWII Germans. I did not understand that it was the same problem America would be having down the road a bit - thousands coming across the border - not for a better life but for social handouts.

   This has been planned out and in the works for generations. And not muslims must join together and put a stop to it - before it’s too late.

   Posted by wardmama4       05/14/2015  at  11:50 AM  



2. Sorry, but I think I have to disagree regarding the labeling of them as “patriots” and the objection to their arrest, though I would need to wait for more non-trivial information to make a firm judgement. I share the opinions about the mass of illegal immigrants, ultranationalistly unassimilated immigrants, Islamists, terrorists, criminals, and combinations thereof.

   But I don’t think backing one side that is almost as bad (albeit less of an overall threat) is going to somehow “even it out.”

   The use of Runes tied in to the Neo-Nazis makes me think this is not an accident. If there is any place on planet Earth that knows what those look like. Which means that this isn’t likely “somebody put up a nice Heathen* symbol not knowing its’ tied into the Reich’s mythologies and those that would carry its’ banner.” They had to go Out Of Their Way to pick it, which makes me think they are “patriots” in the mold of Roehm.  And that whatever supposedly valid excuses they have for their hatred, it is far outweighed by the Invalid ones.

   Secondly, let’s be goddamn frank here. Planning bombings on Mosques at this stage is a terrorist act (Yes It Is). And calling those who would do such a thing “Patriotis” is AN INSULT to the original Patriots and what THEY did living in a sea of enemies.

   Our Founding Fathers NEVER planned to shed blood unless the choice was between that or complete annihilation. They didn’t just Live in a sea of enemies, they were RULED OVER BY THEM. The Military Occupation authorities held power of life and death in a very literal way that even the Islamists here- powerful and terrible as they may be- could only dream of. The military cracked down on colonial trade and government, while Parliament and the King shuttered Boston Harbor and the lifeblood of the continent’s largest city.

   So our Founding Fathers reorganized the militia and civilian shipping in order to protect ourselves and our rights from what was quite literally an invasion. But did they go Guy Fawkes and shove gunpowder into the Crown Governor’s house? NO!!!! They planned, they met, they made sure they could not be dispersed, and they appealed for peace in the best of conditions while waiting for war.

   And the war only started- not when this or that Church or Governor gave a tyrannical or hostile speech- but when the British Army in Boston LITERALLY moved to seize That Which Was Not Theirs, the Colony’s means of defense. And refused to turn back or appeal to peace.

   THAT is the difference between a PATRIOT and a THUG. THAT is the difference between THEM and THESE GUYS.

   Now I might get in trouble for this, but I could actually UNDERSTAND making preparations to defend oneself, even stockpiling munitions, planning hypothetical scenarios, and standing guard.

   But if these people did not stop at that line and actively tried to bomb these mosques- no matter how evil or corrupt they may be- they have divested themselves of any justification. That is NOT acting defensively- no matter how many facts about Turkish malfeasance and evil in Germany you throw at me, and no matter what they thought. It is being like them. Terroristic and ugly in every sense of the word.

   If they truly believe that several HVTs in those mosque are terrorists working to destroy Western civilization and democracy and had to be removed, then they should not have used a bomb. Bombs are indiscriminate. Even going out there and stabbing, shooting, or kidnapping them would be better, because at least then you would not taking a course of action that YOU KNOW WOULD SULLY YOUR HANDS WITH INNOCENT BLOOD. And if you are unfortunate enough to be caught you may defend yourself in good conscience as doing only what was necessary (at least in your mind) to protect against a Known Threat.

   These lunatics Did Not.

   And if anything, they probably helped the headhacking savages. Now it’ll be EVEN HARDER to join together to stop this onslaught. It’ll be even harder to both carry out plans for defense (now that the police are watching) and justify them. The usual savages will point out things like this to whatever peaceful Muslims (and they’re already cowed and too silent as it is...) as an example (while conveniently omitting that it was the Evil Infidel German Police who stopped this terror attack).

   And now everybody will have to have THIS be hung over our heads by all the rogues in the world- from the Islamists to the Socialist cowards- justifying the next Islamist terror attack. Justifying why we won’t confront them. And we will never be able to wash it out fully.

   So to “The Oldboy Society”:

   Great Going Scumbags. You sunk to their level, with the difference that THEY occasionally succeed. Thanks for making life harder for All Of Us. Including the Mrs. Wardmama mentioned.

   Posted by Turtler       05/14/2015  at  11:13 PM  



3. Ok ... you have me thinking a bit more Turtler, and I can’t avoid the idea that things I suggest from time to time, in fact, lots of times, take us into the sewer where the rats are.
   But if we’re out hunting vermin we haven’t much of a choice but be where we find them.
   I do take your well made point tho, the plan to bomb mosques is an act of terror itself and there is a difference between sewer hunting and blowing up a mosque, which would feed the blood-lust of criminals. I wasn’t thinking about that at the time and should have given it some further thought. 

   With regard to Patriots. Well,, I do understand what you said but I also believe that even someone you and I might not like or whose actions we don’t approve, is also more thug than patriot.  I think what I am trying to say is, one can be both.  A very bad person can still be devoted to and have great love for his or her culture and country. And, they might also be quite willing to sacrifice life and limb for that country, come home from the front and beat their wife.
   What I see on this side of the water is I think somewhat different from say the view of anyone back home reading about things here. It’s disheartening, it’s discouraging and may I say, anger inducing.  Even hate inducing.

   That reminds me .... a few years ago LyndonB here at bmews had to remind me after one of my anger/hate rants over something outrageous that I no longer remember, that while the frustration and anger are understood, there are some paths we don’t want to travel down again.  But since then, things have grown even worse.
   It was an old man I once knew who was merely an SS private in a combat role with the Waffen SS, who also told me too much hate will eventually consume the hater.

   I keep seeing images of that filthy nigger vermin who butchered in broad daylight that Brit soldier and looked into a video camera justifying what he and his friend had done to Lee Rigby. He had been on police radar for a long time, there’s no question of the eventual threat he and his lice infested companion posed.  I’d have made them disappear.
   Think operation night and fog.  Now I know that isn’t the way we do things and aren’t supposed to champion those methods. But surely there are exceptional cases.

   As I write this ... police are geared for and expect attacks from returning fighters in Syria. They’ve been trained and their mission is mass killing here.

   I didn’t mean to go on so long. Thoughts tumble out. Anyway ... in your reply which I did read more than once and found of huge interest, you said a couple of things I wasn’t 100% clear on. With regard to Wardmom’s comment when living in Germany you said,
   Including the Mrs. Wardmama mentioned. Were you saying that the German lady is also part of the problem from so long ago? I was confused only because she was speaking about what she personally witnessed happening in her country. So I didn’t quite get the reference to her. Unless you were saying it was the thought process that then leads to unwanted circumstances.

   You also said they are “patriots” in the mold of Roehm.

   
   I know who Ernst Roehm was. I assume it was he you were thinking of. I just wondered why you used him as opposed to someone from the SS say. I have no argument with your choice, I am simply curious, why him?
   And knowing you, I also know I am bound to learn something I didn’t know before.
   So I’ll close here and say thank you in advance.
   Cheers.

   Posted by peiper       05/15/2015  at  12:29 PM  

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