Civil War?
Nice Allan.
The problem that I see is that no matter how the vote goes, the Democrats are gonna be freaking out on November 2nd.
If we win, they are going to panic and start trying to tear us apart, if they win, they are still gonna try to tear us apart because so many of us voted for Bush and therefore are bad for the country.
The Democrats have lost their collective minds, and win or lose on November 2nd, I have a VERY bad feeling.
All that hatred and putred rank of deceit is going to spew forth in violence that I am afraid will be quite specific and quite targeted.
Anyone that a Democrat knows that supported Bush could be a target.
The Democrats are not altogether sane, and if they lose, they will lose all sanity completely.
The Dem’s scare me, and this is their REAL last shot at power, if they lose this election, any vestiges of that party that are left will disapear onto the Ashheap of history, and they literally have nothing left to lose.
Maybe I am being a chicken Little, I hope so, but watch yourselves, keep your family close, and your firearms closer.
Considering your inclusion of a comment from William F. Buckley, I’d appreciate it if you’d help me with a little project. We have a local columnist with our paper in San Antonio (owned by the NYT), and this person chose to call Iraq a “catastrophe”, which I took issue with, as I am a faithful reader of the Iraqi blogs. I am going to post what he wrote, and would appreciate your able research assistance in responding to his reply to mine: “Respectfully, I won’t concede that you know more about Iraq than me or I more than you. I wouldn’t presume that simply because you disagree with me. It is a catastrphe in Iraq because this isn’t the way the war was suppposed to go. You even have Paul Bremer, Ricardo Sanchez and George Tenant commenting publicly on what was done wrong in the planning and while the President has not admitted to mistakes he has said that things have not gone the way they thought. William F. Buckley Jr., who supported the war in the beginning, has now said that if he knew what he knew now he would not support the war.
Not only do we know if elections will come off in November but new polling suggest that if the elections were held today two of the religious parties, i.e., parties we have no influence over, would win.
It is a catastrophe when each month the death toll of our soldiers is higher than the previous month, when there are towns that our soldiers can’t eneter because they’re under the control of the insurgents, when our man and woman power are starined to the point that they have to stay longer than than their tours and when neither the President or Kerry have articulated just how we’re going to eventuallly disengage ourselves from Iraq.
Was Saddam evil? Of course and the world is always better off when any evil tyrant is removed from power (although I don’t believe the President is going to go after other evil tyrants in power).
I was against this war unles the UN inspectors were given more time to find weapons of mass destruction and I thought the liklihood was strong that they would find them.
I asumed the administration knew something that I didn’t about where they were hidden but I was wrong.
Peace, Cary
-----Original Message-----Posted by DagneyT
10/23/2004 at 02:12 PM
Thank you in advance, should you choose to accept this challenge. I am a total failure at successful research online! Feel free to e-mail me, or post here. Your choice!
Posted by DagneyT
10/23/2004 at 02:16 PM
Quite simply, war never goes the way it is “supposed to” after the first contact with the enemy.
The American Civil War was supposed to take only a few months; many civilians turned out from Washington to watch the battling armies at First Manassas. They fled when the Union Army was routed. Four years later, with 600,000 soldiers and President Lincoln dead, it was over and the Union victorious. This when our population was only 29 million; one in 48 dead; equivalent today to more than 6 million. But they didn’t quit.
In WW1, my grandfather’s division (28,000 men) suffered 16,000 casualties in 9 months of combat. The AEF averaged 430 dead per day. They didn’t quit and drove the Germans back to Sedan.
In WW2, most of the US Pacific Fleet was destroyed at Pearl Harbor in Dec 1941. Our garrison in the Philippines was driven to surrender by overwhelming Japanese forces a few months later.
US troops engaged German troops for the first time in Feb 1943 at Kasserine Pass Algeria. The Germans mauled them; in six days the US 1st Armored Division lost 3,000 men as casualties and 3,700 as POW’s out of about 14,000 troops, and 200 of their ~350 tanks were destroyed.
For all of WW2, US troops averaged 308 dead per day, but they didn’t quit until Germany and Japan were in ruins and surrendered unconditionally.As to length of tours, my other grandfather was drafted during WW2 at age 39 into the Army and was in 3yrs 6 mons; I met men when I was in the Army that were [I]overseas[/I] that long during WW2. My godfather was required to fly 25 missions; he was KIA on his 55th mission two weeks before the end of the war. He stayed because he felt there was a job to be done.
I really wonder if we have become spoiled, a nation of wussies who never had it rough and don’t want to know hard work and sacrifice.
Although it may not seem like it to those of us here at home, we are in a war with an enemy which IMHO is more dangerous than those we faced in WW2. Modern technology gives them mobility, communications and the possibility of possessing devastating weapons, while their core values mean there is no reasoning, no negotiating with them. Annihilation is the only cure for these people, and changing Islamic theocracy to democracy is the key to denying them new recruits.
Why Iraq? Iraq sits astride the only two major sources of water in the area, sits on huge oil reserves to generate income for its citizens, sits in the center of gravity of the Muslim world, and was led by a man hated and feared by a majority of its people and the neighboring countries. As such, it was ripe for regime change. With a friendly government and a powerful US presence in Iraq, a substantial US force in a de-Talibanned Afghanistan, Iran, which is the world’s chief breeder of terrorists and Islamofacism, which is ignoring past agreements and working feverishly to build a nuclear bomb, is nicely bracketed and conveniently accessible to US military when their activities go too far.
I pray GWB is re-elected and that he sheds some of the political baggage he needed until now to help ensure that re-election.
If not, God help Western civilization.
