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One of the cheapest .45 weapons ever made.Posted by Walter E. Wallis
08/18/2004 at 05:24 PM
Springfield 1911-A1 .45 or maybe the officers model for ccw. I carry the A1. Or you should look at the Sig P220… sweet piece that one.
Never go wrong with the .45 acp in hydra-shok 230gr hollow point. Makes BIG holes in the bad guys.
Posted by Roy
08/18/2004 at 05:48 PM
Vilmar,
Based on your requirements above, I have only one word to say:
UZI
Allan
I carry a Berreta 9000S in .40. Highly concealable yet still fills the hand (at least mine).
Posted by RC
08/18/2004 at 06:37 PM
Should have added one more thing. If I could change one thing about my springfield it would be double action over single.
Posted by Roy
08/18/2004 at 06:51 PM
Uzi? Hell, why not? First the 45. Then the 357 revolver. Then a rifle (haven’t looked too deeply into that.) Then a small concealable. Then a shotgun. THEN an UZI!!! And an AK. And an AR-15?
Shit, anyone know where I can find bazookas and shoulder fired missiles? A couple of mortars would be nice, too!
If I only had one handgun to rely on, it is my Colt 1911, without question. If you get something that is built on that frame style, you can get many aftermarket parts to customize it to your personal taste. I am rather short, only 5’6” so carrying my Colt concealed is a bit tough. I carry a Llama Micromax .380. Looks and is built just like the Colt, but small enough to conceal with ease. You can’t have too many handguns as they all serve a pourpose. The Colt 45 is on the headboard, the Ruger Super Blackhawk 44mag is in the “Gun Room”, the Arcus 9mm is in the office / kitchen area, the Walther pp 32 acp is in the truck concealed. And that is just for personal protection. In my small 800 sq ft appartment, I am never over 10 ft from a loaded firearm. Oh did I mention the Remington 870 12 ga shotgun with 00 buckshot by the door? Somebody once said that I must be afraid of somebody breaking into my place. I just responded with, “Well not really”. Damn, I almost forgot the SKS battle rifle that is behind the seat in the truck at all times and the 1000 rounds of ammo in the back, just in case I got to take it to the bad guys on the way home from work one day. Someday, I will have to tell you about my hunting stuff, but that is for another day.
Posted by JT_Hunter
08/18/2004 at 07:25 PM
I think I need to go get another gun..........See ya..
Posted by JT_Hunter
08/18/2004 at 07:27 PM
Well you have excellent taste in the caliber in my opinion. Both pistols are a good choice and the price is in line.
How ever there are things to be asked:
How much experiance with a handgun do you have?
How often will you carry it on your person and is it for concealed carry?
How much time do you plan learning the gun and practing with it?
Then a more detailed answer could be given. In the end if you stick with a repuitable gun maker how it feels to you is the best bet.
Personaly I’m an old fart who has carried both a 1911A and a S&W K frame for duty purposes. I prefer the 1911A, but then I’m willing to put the practice in to stay proficent. Otherwise a good .357 revolver is the way to go.
Your mileage may very and that’s my .02 worth…
Posted by Ric Brandt
08/18/2004 at 07:59 PM
The Ruger GP100 is a nice gun in 357 with a 4” barrel. For a home defense gun, you won’t find any better. Keep it loaded and close at night.
For a semi-auto, 45 ACP is the way to go. All you listed are good but get one that fits your hand. Glock is probably the most reliable and easiest to use in a stressfull situation. One of the nice things about the 1911 Colt style 45’s is that parts are easily obtained and there simple to fix but like I mentioned before, they need some work to be reliable out of the box unless you buy a modified model.
A shotgun with a minimum legal length barrel and a pistol grip makes for a great defensive weapon. Nothing strikes fear into the hearts of goblins like the sound of a 12 gage shell being racked into the chamber.
Posted by Bob
08/18/2004 at 08:02 PM
Jesus H. Christ- this is the one thing I am totally against- I would be so afraid of anyone who has some type of weapon in his home- what happens if the neighbors piss you off- do you go for the gun??????????? Or if the person in the next travel lane cuts you off..........Think it through fellas............
Posted by Dottie
08/18/2004 at 08:23 PM
Hey! I’m a .45 auto fan my own self, but given your description of what you’re looking for, and how much you want to practice, I’d look into the Springfield XD. It’s winning all sorts of awards, looks to be about as reliable and durable as the Glock, but is American made. Price is right, too. I’d get it in the “new” .40 S&W caliber. It’s winning a lot of police department fans. You want a simple operating gun, stay away from the .45 autos for now. Get one later if you get bitten by the shooting bug and start going through more than 50 rounds a month.
See one here:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl.shtmlThe GP-100 is a great gun, too. Actually if the first is a house gun, I’d actually recommend that (or a Taurus) FIRST, before a semi-auto. I’d make the GP-100 my “house gun” kept in one of these boxes, along with a speed loader.
http://www.handgunsafe.com/41216s.htm
It’s 45 pounds of welded 1/4-inch steel and can be bolted to the floor. Mine is under my bed in the master bedroom, and I’m getting another one soon for the first floor.
For later, again assuming you don’t begin to shoot a lot, for your carry piece, you can’t do better than this.
http://www.kahr.com/new_pm9094.html
Very nice pocket pistol in 9mm and again, very simple operation.
Now, if you get into shooting and get some training, I’d get this for carry. This is my carry piece (concealed permit, PA).
http://www.kimberamerica.com/cdp.php
I carry the “Compact CDP II” model. Schweet piece, indeed. But, because it’s manual of arms is slightly more complex (slightly, you don’t need to be a member of mensa to use the damn things!) I’d leave it for if you start shooting more. The .45 auto is a very safe pistol in trained hands. For the occasional shooter, the Sprinfield XD (or the glock) would be safer.
Don’t know where you live, but if work or pleasure takes you by Philadelphia, send me an Email and I’ll take you out for some private lessons at my club:
I’ll bring along my Kimber and a Ruger .22 target pistol for you to play with. If you’re in the mood we can toss a few clay pigeons and you can play with the shotgun, or maybe you’d like to shoot my Springfield 1903 rifle. I love to take new shooters to the range and get them hooked!
Pretty soon, that under-the-bed box won’t do and you’ll need one of these:
http://www.libertysafe.com/safe_Lincoln.lasso
Guns are like potato chips. Nobody can have just one!!
Let us know what you finally decide.
John Collins
Posted by John Collins
08/18/2004 at 10:02 PM
If I had my way I’d mount 20mm cannons in my front and rear fenders of my car. Some lame-ass driver refusing to leave the passing lane would become aluminum foil as I unleashed a barrage of sheels in his (or her) way. Immediately afterwards, my grenade-launched magnetic claymored rocket device would be launched, attach itself to the chassis and blow it UP over my car as I passed underneath. The rear cannons would take car of whatever was left over so as not to impede the travel of cars following me.
Now, for those morons who have 13 items in a 10 item lane in a grocery store, the 45 would pop out of its holster and he (or she) would be getting fitted for a plywood overcoat.
As for the neighbor with the barking dog, a silenced 22 is effective for the dog and a slienced 9mm will handily dispose of its owner. A helpful neighbor would be a block away firing the 357 magnum to distract police.
I always say, the right tool for the right job.
Now, Dottie, as you were saying?
BWAH HA HA HA!!
As I was saying- you’re all nuts........don’t look for me to visit you when you are behind bars.......
Posted by Dottie
08/18/2004 at 10:24 PM
Dottie, you don’t have to worry about neighbors owning firearms if they are decent law abiding citizens. Have you ever been to Montana? When you travel the back country there, a state with only 500,000 people and almost as large as Texas you can consider it all back country, you will notice people wave at you. I mean your driving down some road and the folks in the other car wave “hi”. People are friendly and not quick to temper. And, 8 out of 10 cars that you see will have firearms in them. In areas where guns abound, crime is less, people are more friendly and less to fly off the handle. Don’t believe the hype of the anti-gun crowd that people with guns are always wanting to shoot someone. I have guns in my home but they are a last resort of defense. There is a point in my hallway if a criminal crosses, he will be shot because then he is coming after my family. Up until then, he can take the TV and VCR as that is why I pay insurance but when he crosses that line, 230 grains of jacketed hollow point is waiting for him.
Posted by Bob
08/18/2004 at 10:43 PM
Vilmar, you’re lucky!
In Illinois only criminals and terrorists can conceal /carry.
BTW Dottie, My mother’s the same age you are and she owns probably half a dozen weapons. Because her neighborhood ain’t the greatest, those guns have given her a much bigger margin of safety. And Yes, she’s trained
on ALL of them.
BARBPosted by annoying little twerp
08/18/2004 at 10:49 PM
Gee Deb I’ve carried for oh about 40 years. Never had to pull the trigger, except once when I was stationed in Germay in ‘71.
Hope that doesn’t disappoint you or shoot any holes in your theory…
Posted by Ric Brandt
08/18/2004 at 11:01 PM
My personal preference is the 9-mm Taurus 92F, which is essentially a Berreta with a different name stamped on it and a square notch instead of round one on the top of the magazine. I’ve been told that Berreta sold its Brazilian plant to Taurus, and Taurus only changed the magazine die so that Berreta’s mag would not be interchangable.
I paid about $425 for it back in 1988, and it has been a fantastic handgun. Nicely balanced and easy to hold, even an amateur can shoot well after minimal instruction. I do recommend changing the rosewood handgrips to a diamond-pattern hard rubber grip to make it easier to hold. The wood grips are very slippery and you can change them yourself using a screwdriver.
To test how reliable it would be in a crisis situation, I fired 45 rounds (3 mags with 15 rounds each) as quickly as I could pull the trigger, eject the mag and slap another one in. To the amazement of my father (a combat-tested fan of the 1911-A1 .45-cal), the Taurus did not jam or misfire once through the entire sequence of shots. I even managed to keep all the shots on the target.
It’s a sweet gun that won’t let you down, and it’s easy to break down, clean and reassemble. I highly recommend it. For maximum knockdown power in a home defense situation, I suggest hollow-points over the standard FMJ rounds. The HPs will definitely take down the bad guys.
And be sure to get some professional instruction on handling and firing the weapon; it’s more than worth the money you will spend. Be responsible, be safe and ensure you keep the gun locked up or fitted with a trigger lock. Being safe is infinitely better than being sorry when handguns are involved.
Posted by Bear
08/19/2004 at 05:27 AM
Go with the Glock 27 in .40 S & W. Relatively small. 9 shots, easy to use, no safeties to switch on or off, and very durable.
Posted by Rick
08/19/2004 at 05:32 AM
Hola-
I just purchased a S&W .40 SW40VE.
It looks great, shoots great and is affordable… I paid around $300.
I’m adding a Saiga semi-auto 12 gauge assault shotgun and a Ruger mini-14.
Good luck and let us know what you get!
Brian
http://www.smugmonkey.blogspot.com/
Posted by Brian
08/19/2004 at 10:41 AM
Go with the M21. I have one and I’m very happy with it. I carried a 1911 for years and years...the Glock is better. It shoots better. Holds more. Is simpler. And it teaches you to keep your dang finger off the trigger...and that’s a GOOD thing!
Posted by Dave Jungemann
08/19/2004 at 10:46 AM
Well, I’ve owned a Glock M21 for a number of years now, n’ I find it to be a good piece. The price you mentioned for one sounds -very- reasonable, compared to what I’ve seen. I’m not wild about the current $90-per-mag fee for stardard-capacity magazines, though.
I’ve shot the Ruger P-97, n’ while I liked the trigger, the narrow little grip compared to the chunky steel slide kind of threw me, but that’s up to the individual shooter.
Since you mentioned wanting a GP-100, I’d like to make a suggestion; for a good, solid .45 pistol, take a moment to look over the CZ-97. It’s crafted entirely out of steel (no aluminum or polymer frame) and is price-comparable to polymer-framed guns of similar size. It’s kind of the GP-100 of the .45 autopistol world.
Posted by Ben Acheff
08/19/2004 at 01:24 PM
Thanks so far to all of you who have given advice and suggestions. I am still furiously checking all the info out and will be going to a gun show at the fairgrounds in Tampa this Sunday. I hope to arrive home with something other than frustration!
Should you have more ideas, suggestions, etc. please feel free to write me directly or post here.
Vilmar
HEY DOTTIE!
I just got my son a youth-sized 20-gauge pump shotgun for his 11th birthday! We’re going trap shooting tomorrow night!
For his tenth birthday, I got him a Ruger .22 Bearcat revolver, again, kid-sized!
Woot, woot! Better not come over to our house!! Too many EEEEEEEEVil gun thingys.
hehehe
For Christmas, we’re getting one of these. A joint present for me and the urchin!
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/pcwa2y16sl.asp
Wheeeeeeeee!
Posted by John Collins
08/19/2004 at 10:03 PM
Not one of you has been convincing to me.......What happens when your darling little child, grandchild, nephew, et al, happens upon your unlocked gun cabinet or finds the gun you “safely” put away on the top shelf of the closet, brings it down to show his little friend & “accidently” injures or kills him because “Oh my God, I didn’t realize I left one bullet in it” or “I forgot to put the gun lock on”.........then how would you feel? Have never had a weapon & don’t want one, have a security system in my home and have other safeguards that I use to protect my wellbeing...........These are my views, thank you very much!!
Posted by Dottie
08/19/2004 at 10:30 PM
Damn! I know I am going to catch hell but today I was telling my son he should start buying weapons. At least one a year. His baby is 5 months old. Should he be concerned? Yes. Should he be careful? Yes. Should he teach his child to shoot and also teach that child that guns are dangerous ONLY if you don’t use them properly? Yes. Should they be locked? Yes.
Now what happens if ANY child (to include MY grandchild) happens upon an unlocked gun and kills him/herself or someone else?
I call it natural selection. And I would probably never forgive him for being careless. But does it mean guns are evil? No. It just shows people are either stupid or irresponsible.
We need to remember that until the 50s/60s/70s it was not unusual to have kids bring their rifles to school. In the old days EVERY home had weapons. Those kids learned (sometimes at the expense of their own lives) that you don’t FUCK with guns.
As adults we have certain responsibilities when it comes to weapons and because there are some stupid fucktards out there who couldn’t act like responsible adults with those weapons does not mean it is the weapon that is bad.
One’s choice to own a weapon is just that---a choice. And I respect yours Dottie.
What I do not tolerate or respect is someone trying to take away my choice because they think they know better than I do. I know you are not advocating that but many times weapon owners face just that sort of mentality from people who, most likely, are the very ones who can’t trust themselves with handling weapons safely. These same people are also the ones most likely to want to take gun rights away from others simply because since they can’t others shouldn’t.
Dearest Vilmar......I am not trying to debate your choice of buying a weapon- that is not for me to say........I would only hope you (or anyone) would think through your reasons for buying one.......You say back in the 50s/60s/70s it was not unusual for kids to bring rifles to school & every home had weapons...........That was not the case where I lived & grew up - I don’t recall anyone that I knew having a gun in their home...........My former husband had a gun that he used for deer hunting & he got rid of it once we had children, for safety’s sake........I am just very concerned about the states that have ok’d the concealed weapons laws, Missouri being one.....Do I have to watch my back every time I venture out in public? That is no way to live.
Posted by Dottie
08/20/2004 at 10:01 PM
Dottie, I think you’re great-for a chirpee fan.GRIN-but your child safety excuse for not getting a gun doesn’t wash with me. My father kept a LOADED revolver in a night- stand drawer for protection. My much younger brother and I were shown said gun-while it was unloaded. it was explained to us that guns -in the right hands-could be used for good, that guns weren’t toys, to treat EVERY gun like it was loaded, AND that if our father even THOUGHT that we had so much as LOOKED at one of his weapons without him there, we would have bigger problems than guns!
We weren’t allowed to point our toy guns-squirt guns excluded-at people or animals. we had to treat even our TOY guns as if they were loaded.
Our household was abusive, YET, my brother and I have never shot anybody.
Btw, there was no such thing as a “trigger lock” in the 1970’s or 1980’s.
My brother and I were taught correctly about guns at a young age and it’s stayed with us.My son is a graduate of “Eddie the Eagle” He won’t be playing with any guns.
It is up to the PARENTS to teach kids about guns-the NRA’s “Eddie the Eagle .” is good. Jews for the Pres. of Firearms Ownership"JPFO" have good programs too.-and it is up to the PARENTS to act responsibly around guns.
The accidents are tragic, but they’re not the norm. I feel a lot safer having ‘armament “ in the house. Guns aren’t the problem. ****ing IDIOTS who treat them carelessly are the problem!!!
BARB*steps off soap box-snuggles son’s “Eddie the Eagle” plush*Posted by annoying little twerp
08/21/2004 at 01:49 AM
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