Because it would be evidence of a huge lie, that’s why

 

1. It doesnt serve your case to counter Ms. Brown’s argument with fallacious exaggerations.  First off, Obama was never a Muslim. His mother did not convert to Islam when she married his father, and he was brought up by his Maternal Grandparents, and Mother.  Secondly, Kenyan Muslims are not Arabs, they have arabic names because all Muslims take Arabic names to identify with other Muslims.  Thirdly, Islam has not been warring with anyone for 1400 years.  In fact there are long periods of history in which Islamic nations were being attacked by Christian nations, the modern day being one of them.

   Please get your facts straight if you want us readers to listen to your rants.

   Posted by stillif       10/14/2008  at  10:12 AM  



2. Obama is not a true Christian either Mrs. Brown. He believes and these are his words, not mind. There are many paths to enter into heaven. His friend and supporter Oprah Winfrey believes that as well. They tend to be kindred spirits in this belief and tend
   to think if you just do good to people you will be rewarded. That is not what the Bible says, that is not what Jesus, the center of Christianty says. They have their own version
   of being a Christian. They can have it.

   Furthermore, I doubt very whole heartedly you will ever see any Christian being elected
   to any high office in any Muslim nations. Do you think that would be possible.
   One only has to look at Obama’s background, at least the parts that arent hidden away
   under lock and key, to see he came from a rebel type mother from the age all of us
   hippie flower children went through and a student, that is all not an American citizen, from Kenya, to even coming close to figuring out just what he is all about.

   My basic problem with Obama, is not his religious beliefs, his race, or anything other than he wants and tends to go towards socialization and frankly Mrs. Brown, I wouldnt trust him near our military secrets period.

   Even now, he steals other leaders ideas and claims them as his own. He is the one dangerous, not McCain or Palin.

   Posted by sistermoon28       10/14/2008  at  11:02 AM  



3. @Stillif: Glad to see you’re still able to communicate in $20 words. Too bad you’re not fully cognizant of their meanings. But it is a start, eh? BTW, the remarks about warring for the past 1400 years are actually correct. From 632 AD on, Mohammad and then the Caliphate spent most of their time roaming northern Africa and the Middle East ravaging the countryside in the name of Allah. Educated Muslims don’t even bother to deny this.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#History
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_history
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_of_Islam

   In fact, you bother to read the references, the Crusades that ignorant Islam supporters are so fond of mentioning were actually a reaction to the Islamic Moors overrunning Jerusalem and other parts of the Middle East. Just like 911, they brought it on themselves. One cannot make this stuff up. It is too obvious.

   The real problem ...

   and one which Ms. Brown does not address, is the idea that somehow Muslims would make good leaders for America. I think not. Any Muslim that denies that Sharia law is subservient to civil law in America will likely be scolded sternly by his fellow Muslims. Any Muslim attempting to convert to a different religion may find himself waking up dead. This is not exaggeration; this occurs daily around the world.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shariah

   You and Ms. Brown might be especially interested in the “broad” freedoms allowed you gals under Sharia Law.

   In any event, Sharia Law conflicts directly with the Judeo-Christian ethics system America was founded on. That is a fact. No one can truthfully state otherwise.

   So ...

   say we elect a Muslim to office ...

   and he demands to use the Koran (ie, Sharia law) to be sworn in on, you may be sure that he not thinking of your American principles when conducting himself in office.

   What if he allows himself to be sworn in on a Bible or some other book? That’s okay. The Koran is fairly clear on the fact that it is okay to lie to non-Muslims as long as it is in a good Muslim cause (ie, like getting in control?).

   In other words, practicing Muslims should never be elected to office in this country. Their belief system is diametrically opposed to ours. It is as simple as that. To believe / act otherwise just betrays one’s ignorance of the facts at hand.

   Posted by sam       10/14/2008  at  11:23 AM  



4. Sam, thank you for your response to my comment.  I am glad someone on the right appreciates intellectual discourse, its been SO dull listening to the rightwing’s obsession with folksy slang and single syllable words. 

   To counter, the Crusades are not really the best example of an Islam/West conflict, as much as it is a political one.  First, the crusaders fought their own Christian brethren in Constantinople as well as Jewish people wherever they found them.  Secondly, crusaders fought against one another as much as the Arabs did, often forming alliances with Muslims as well as Christians.  The church and state in Europe basically used this false ideal of recapturing jerusalem to justify their heavy taxation on their populace… much as the Bush administration has pretended that the American people’s sacrifices in Iraq and Afghanistan is for some goal more urgent and noble than simply lining the pockets of corporate allies.

   If your study of history went any deeper than scanning wikipedia, not the most scholarly or in-depth sources of knowledge, you might find that the Islamic conquest of North Africa, the Gulf, and South East Asia, was actually far less violent and practiced with greater military discipline and restraint than any other contemporary military action.  Compare that to the Christian reconquest of Spain, commonly known as the Inquisition. 

   Your reference to 9/11 is extremely cliche and trite.  It was a horrible and shameful action by angry extremists, not by any organized nation, or recognized representative of Islam.  Those of us who were watching something other than Fox News in the days following the attack know that every majority Muslim country in the world, as well as every recognized Islamic authority, condemned the attack as terrorism, unIslamic and completely wrong.  That event is no more equivalent to the Arab conquest of Jerusalem than the Oklahoma City bombing is to the American Civil War.  The Arabs had lived in and around Jerusalem and were descendants of the same semitic people who have always been there.

   Finally, the Quran and the Shariah are not the same.  While every Muslim in the world accepts the Quran as God’s word, the Shariah is far more controversial.  No one would be sworn in on the Shariah, and the Quran clearly states that Shariah law applies ONLY to Muslims.  So non-Muslims would be unaffected even if someone did choose to believe in it. 

   Don’t you have enough faith in the framers of our own constitution to trust that the religious beliefs of our president will not be forced upon us?  Or has the right wing become so obsessed with sticking their noses into our personal lives that they think everyone wants to?

   Sad, sad, sad.

   Posted by stillif       10/14/2008  at  12:40 PM  



5. Ironic though isnt it stillif that since 9/11 over 12000 terrorist attacks by people representing themselves as Muslims have been recorded worldwide. Just thought Id bring it up.Check the ROTT if you wish to fact check that.

   Posted by Rich K       10/14/2008  at  02:09 PM  



6. Bravo and thank you for slapping some of the idiotic look off Campbell Brown’s face.

   Posted by Mobius       10/14/2008  at  07:44 PM  



7. @stilli: Apparently beheading has a different meaning for you than for me.

   Also, I see you read up on the Crusades in Wikipedia yourself. It always amuses me that folks keep trying to pin the Crusades on Christians when it applies only in the loosest connotation. The Crusades had far more to do with the Catholic Church and they were, as usual, about power and greed. Something like the Muslim conquests of the age; although to be fair, they preferred to label the process as conversion. Funny how one can lose one’s head over conversion in a Muslim country even these days, eh?

   Study of history? Wikipedia not scholarly? I find these statements most amusing. I was probably studying history before you were born but that pales compared to your position on Wikipedia. Sorry, I have to stop to laugh again. You cannot possibly be a Wikipedian.

   As regards your position on the gentility of Muslim conquest, I can only refer you back to their method of conversion. 

   I doubt there is anything trite or cliche about 911. To even pretend it wasn’t well-planned and well-financed basically destroys your credibility entirely. Of course the Muslim community denied, condemned it, etc., etc., etc.. They would, of course, lie about it and are perfectly at peace with lying about it because they are allowed and encouraged to lie to the poor dumb “Dhimmi” such as we.

   BTW, although an area known as Palestine has existed since before the Israelites arrived to battle with the Philistines in the 11th or 12th century BC, Palestinians didn’t exist, per se, until early in the 20th century when the Brits tried to clear the way to re-create the Jewish homeland ... an effort which would come to naught. In the late 40’s, the Brits and French had to come up with some way to refer to the multitude of folks living there at the time: voila, Palestinians! Up until that time all kinds of folks lived there including Jews, Egyptians, Grecians, Arabs and a half dozen other mongrel family lines. In the mid 60’s the PLO was established (recognized by the Arab League surprise surprise) to “represent” Palestinians.

   True, the Koran and Shariah are not the same; the latter is based on the various collections based on Mohammad’s Koranic revelations (dictated for memorization by his companions in the 7th century AD) plus all the meddling by various Imams, Caliphs, etc. in their constant manipulation to conform to the current social and economic moires of the age (not to mention those old favorites of power and greed).

   And, Shariah applies to everyone in a Muslim-controlled state, my son. In case you missed it, under Shariah we “dhimmis” are expected to pay an annual tax or convert to Islam (based on Koranic verse 9:29). Remember that beheading thing we talked about earlier? Yep, still in use. Once popular throughout Europe, Asia, and Africa as a graphic method of keeping the populace in check, nowadays it is generally practiced only by Muslims as a means to terrorize folks. Say, I wonder how Sabri Bogday’s appeal is going? Like I said before, no one can make up stuff this demented. Well, Stephen King, maybe.

   The original framers of the Constitution I trust. The left and right wing folks we have shoving sexual perversions and “modern government” down our throats these days I don’t trust at all. Since you’re denigrating the right wingers, we might assume you’re a left winger ... west coast? No matter. Enjoy your right to free speech. Another couple of presidential elections and we might be in the same league with the Chinese: only allowed state-sanctioned communications.

   Posted by sam       10/15/2008  at  12:09 AM  



8. Oh my good lord - are we STILL going to go with the ‘9/11’ was orchestrated by dirty men living in caves with a couple laptops?  If I make coffee, will you guys smell it?

   Posted by Mobius       10/15/2008  at  12:14 AM  



9. P.S. Yes, I am aware that Islam apologists will point out that “taqiyya”, lying to non-believers, is really only an interpretation of some verse in the Koran. Since the Koran is written intentionally in a verbose and “subtle” manner, it is left up to the reader to determine the “correct” meaning. Gosh. No way that could get messed up, eh?

   And then we run across the following and once again, it’s every man for himself (to discern the lies from the truth). Good luck.

   http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1243858/posts

   Posted by sam       10/15/2008  at  12:33 AM  

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