BATF Seizure and Airsoft Update
I bet the batfeags could sell tickets to an event where all those fools were lined up and forced to pull the trigger on a live round that was force-chambered into one of these airsofts.
Posted by emdfl
03/05/2010 at 12:33 PM
Well, here’s the thing emdfl. By putting real parts on this toy gun’s receiver, there wouldn’t be any forcing at all. The only question is whether the real parts can be made to fit inside and onto the toy’s receiver so that the cartridge would fire.
It’s a pretty complicated situation if you aren’t a real gun-nut. It’s difficult to understand unless you have a great amount of knowledge and experience with this one particular kind of rifle, a knowledge of what gunsmithing can and can not do, and probably a great bit of experience with the toy guns in question. I’ve got some of the first two, but I know diddly-bupkus about the third.
The easy to understand part is that the rules need to be clearer, and that the knowledge of the rules needs to be greater. This whole situation never would have happened if the inspector at the port had the ability to look up the rules online and had a quick test to apply to verify that these things weren’t real. Or “real enough”.
If I put some orange tape on the muzzle of a real rifle it doesn’t magically become a toy. If I have an innocuous replica firearm that will chamber real ammunition then it really isn’t a replica.
I’m not sure whether “Occam’s razor” or “the sword of Damocles” is the more appropriate allusion here, but either way we’re right down at the very razor’s edge, debating whether a 25 degree bevel or a 45 degree bevel qualifies a blade as being “sharp”. It may turn out to be that the razor blade is made of balsa wood, so to speak. And you can’t shave with that at all. But toy razors are not made with leather stropped Sheffield steel blades. They cease being toys at that point, agreed?
And the debate goes on. But on the bright side it sounds like you picked up a few more readers for BMEWS so thats good to hear.Now if we could just get a few Instalaunches,,,,
When considering any regulation that might be open to interpretation, never forget that no government clerk has ever gotten in trouble for saying no.
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Brilliant Post!
(spellcheck aside).
It brings me to wonder why, with all of the interested and available internet geeks out there, why this isn’t being ‘farmed out’?
Offer 10K to the geek who can make it work (from the BATF coffers, of course), and let the games begin! Proof within a couple of months, no bullstuff and the courts never have to get involved.
Posted by heldmyw
03/05/2010 at 08:03 PM
Great idea, except those geeks would be breaking the law the very instant they made it work. You can’t build modern firearms without a special manufacturer’s license.
Plus, many of us Geeks take it kinda personal if we fail. And you would probably end up with a working gun with 0.02% of the original still left over, just to prove we can do it.
If the Airsplat team did do the comparison on the WE M4, which I cant think they would say it and not do it, it appears that the WE does now conform to the off size builds like I posted before. And have tooled their castings to make them unable to make it work anymore.
But, I will take the heat here for my prior statement. I do not have an original WE receiver that I can compare to, as the first version of the gun was really buggy and didnt work very good at all. However, unlike real steel, airsoft can change on a dime by changing the castings for the upper and lower. And it appears that if they are off in size from the RS major components, they have changed.
So, I will stand corrected, the current version of the WE M4 is NOT dimensionally equal to a real steel M4 or AR rifle system. And is as dimensionally in-accurate as other airsoft replicas available.
Posted by B3
03/06/2010 at 01:48 AM
God statement B3. Not your fault if they change the design.
Besides, think how cheap it would be for the Chinese company that makes REAL receivers to just cast some up from pot metal. They’ve already got all the machining equipment all set up and can just run them off. Why bother to change the design until somebody squeaks? All they had to do was set up a shell company to sell them through, and nobody would be the wiser.
