Another Busy Day
Drew, I surprised at you. Standings are determined by Winning Percentage. This is the same as Points Won, if everyone has bowled the same number of games, but doesn’t work if a match is pre-bowled or postponed. Ties are ties. Breaking ties based on Total Pins only applies when it’s time for a position round, and you need to decide which team bowls where.
When there is a tie for first in the Final Standings, it MUST be bowled off. If there is a tie anywhere else in the Final Standings, the league MUST award equal prizes, unless the league rules provide for a rolloff. Total Pins may NOT be used as a tie-breaker in the final standings.
In other words, with a record of 7-0, you are guaranteed to be at least tied for 1st place.
As for 4 posts in 11 words, is this an example of “brevity is the soul of wit?”
Posted by KGrupa
05/13/2009 at 11:16 AM
No, there is more than one method allowed as far as I know. We use the 7 point system, and hte old team handicap method with 80%. Each week each team bowls the same number of games, and it DOES seem to work if they have pre-bowled.
The bowling software allows you several choices. Once you have set up how many points are awarded per game and for wood, it asks how standings are determined. We use the Standard Team Points system, and under that is a pulldown where you can select methods of breaking a tie:
“When there is a tie in team standings, break the tie using”
a) “total pinfall with handicap then actual games won (not points)”
b) “actual games won (not points) then Total Pinfall”
c) “total pinfall then actual games won (not points)”
d) “actual games won (not points) then total pinfall with handicap”So the Standard method first uses points won. Given an equal number of points won, then after that your choice of A - D. Pretty sure we used C this year, because with the Team Handicap method the team with the highest average total NEVER gets any handicap, so “total pinfall” acutually means “total pinfall without handicap”. But I can see using method A instead, since the high average team will almost always come out ahead in raw total pins when there is a tie in games won.
KG, if you know of some rules pertaining to scoring and tie breaking, email me or post here. I looked in the little blue book but couldn’t find anything. And I have to go out again.
Good on ya for the job Drew. Grats! As for living in NJ? No. I rather like much of NM, and TX is only 10 minutes East.
Take a look at Rule 113a, “Playoffs”, including the Note at the end of 113a.
Obviously, the software program needs “break” ties, because it must put one team in each slot - putting 2 or more teams on the same line is not an option. Which rule to use is up to the league, because the only practical purpose is to identify which team goes where in a position round. If your league breaks ties by total pins in the final standings, and gives a higher prize to one over the other, it’s in violation of USBC Rule 113a. (Probably not - more likely, the tie-break is irrelevant because the money coming back is “Point Money,” which is equal.)
For a long time, ABC rules stated that, when teams were tied going into a position round, the ties were to be broken by “drawing lots”, unless the league had adopted a different rule. I think it was around 8-10 years ago that they finally relented, changing the language to using “Total Pins”, unless the league adopts a different rule.
My Monday night team rallied late to finish in a tie for second. One of the guys on the other team suspected their team should have got 2nd place money to themselves because they beat us on the tiebreaker. I told him no, and when he checked the rulebook, he agreed I was right.
Also. It sounds like your league figures handicap by adding up the averages of the bowlers on each team, subtracting the lower total from the higher, then multiply by 80%, and that’s the handicap that the lower team gets. I remember the rulebook recommending against this kind of system when I was a kid (40 years ago), but I don’t see it now. I’m prejudiced against this system, because I’m used to awarding prizes at the end of the season for high handicap game and series, both team and individual. But this is a league rule, decided before the league starts, and USBC regards it as perfectly legitimate.
In March, my Thursday team prebowled a match a week and a half early - our opponents were going to Nationals, and the following Sunday was otherwise inconvenient. On the Thursday following, the standings sheet simply omitted the results of the match in the standings, but our scores WERE counted in figuring our averages (necessary - the games pre-bowled the previous Sunday MUST be counted in figuring our averages for that Thursday, even though those games were for the match originally scheduled for the following Thursday.) If that Thursday had been a position round, the match results would have had to be included, and standings re-computed using Winning Percentage, to make the appropriate lane assignments.
Posted by KGrupa
05/14/2009 at 06:10 PM
