Liar In Chief

Yeah yeah, President Obongo put out his “19 points” Executive Order crap today, except they grew to 23 points before he was finished. He did the expected bullshit of amping up the schmaltz factor to 11.24 “if there’s only one live that can be saved then we must act now”. Horse feathers.

President Obama called Wednesday for a new and tougher assault-weapons ban and a 10-round limit on magazines, as part of a comprehensive plan to curb gun violence that includes 23 steps he took without congressional action.

Already facing stiff opposition from gun-rights advocates and Republican lawmakers, the president called on Congress to pass several major changes to the country’s current gun laws—some of which are already being considered like the restrictions on semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines.

Obama called as well for legislation to bar the possession and importation of armor-piercing bullets and to require criminal background checks for nearly all gun sales.

blah blah blah, go find your own link. It’s on every channel and at every news site on the Internet. And it’s all crap.

But a little bit of REALITY for all you bitter clingers. Wait. All you bitter clingers already know this, because you actually know and understand things about firearms. Let me address everyone else then:

Obama wants to ban possession of armor piercing bullets. Gosh, that sounds reasonable doesn’t it? That sounds safe. And smart. Only one problem there my little corksnockers: ALL BULLETS ARE ARMOR PIERCING. Because it depends on what you call armor, and on the velocity of the projectile.

Let me admit to some bad behavior I took part in during my teen years. I ran with a bunch of dirtbag tards. Such friends. But hey, I was 15 and stupid. Anyway. We found a spent bullet, a little cylinder of lead. Looking back, I’m pretty sure it was a .38 caliber lead double ended wadcutter. A target bullet for short range pistol shooting. Cast from nearly pure lead, so it was quite soft. We found a 2 foot long thin steel tube that had a solid steel cap screwed on the end. It was the extension slide from one of those folding music stands you use in Band class in school. We rolled the lead slug around on some rocks until it would fit down the tube, and we drilled a little touch hole near the capped end. We cut the heads off of about 20 books of matches and rammed them down the tube with a stick. Bullet followed. We set the thing off with a fuse made from interlaced matchbooks. BOOM. And it shot the bullet right through a half inch thick cast iron frying pan about 10 feet away. Right through it. Soft lead through thick cast iron. Armor. So what do you think real bullets - jacketed rifle bullets, steel core SS109s or plain old deer hunting bullets at 10 times the velocity of our little match gun - will do? That’s right. They go right through armor. You can shoot a rifle bullet through a bit of railroad track. And that’s not only thicker than an old frying pan, it’s quality steel to boot.

So unless Obadoofus’s EO is laying down some pretty damned specific set of qualifications (as if), then it’s entirely possible that he just banned nearly every rifle bullet out there more modern than a round musket ball. (ESPECIALLY the latest generation of bullets which are machined from solid bronze or copper, because the Greenies are having shit fits that hunters are poisoning the wilderness with spent lead, so they’re calling for the criminalization of lead bullets. Bronze and copper ones are much harder, so by nature they’re even more armor piercing than their old school cousins made from lead.) That’s some pretty dirty pool ... especially since I can’t EVER recall a shooting of any kind being done with AP ammo. NEVER EVER. So how is that going to make anyone safer? It ain’t. And if he had a magical unicorn fart powered time machine, what crime would it have ever prevented? NONE. So how is this completely uncalled for restriction in any way, shape, or form, protecting the Second Amendment? It isn’t. It’s restricting your rights and your freedoms for no valid reason or even any implied one. But it panders to the low information voter who always votes how her feelings go.

PS - the armor vests worn by our nationally militarized jack-booted police (and umpteen other alphabet soup government agencies empowered to bear arms against the citizenry) come in levels of protection. They are all armor, by definition. Yet Level I gear will only stop low powered pistol bullets, Level II gear will only stop “light magnum” higher velocity pistol bullets (eg 9mm+P and .357 Magnum), and so on. You need to get right up to the top of the body armor pyramid to find the stuff that will stop bullets typically used by deer hunters. And that stuff will only stop a couple of them. 2 or 3 hits in the same general area and the armor fails. So even the best stuff isn’t exactly permanently impermeable. Therefore the bullets that defeat it are “armor piercing”.

Posted by Drew458    United States   on 01/16/2013 at 08:02 PM   
  1. If only we had chosen the right guy last summer instead of the Massachusetts Squish. What Rick Perry had this to say today:
    “In fact, the piling on by the political left, and their cohorts in the media, to use the massacre of little children to advance a pre-existing political agenda that would not have saved those children, disgusts me, personally. The second amendment to the Constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot be nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president.”

    Posted by Rich K    United States   01/16/2013  at  08:48 PM  
  2. Well Looky here:
    The NYPD say two people were found shot dead inside a car in the Bronx.
    Police responded to a 911 call of a person shot in front of 3328 Perry Ave. just after midnight. When they arrived, they found a man and a woman unconscious and unresponsive inside a parked car.
    Both victims had a gunshot wound to the head.
    They were taken to a hospital where they were pronounced dead.

    “I guess they didn’t sign that law into place quick enough to save these folks,Imagine that”.

    Posted by Rich K    United States   01/16/2013  at  08:54 PM  

    Posted by cmblake6    United States   01/16/2013  at  10:12 PM  
  4. Hey Look Guys and Gals, I found a solution to stupid Politicians. And it’s practical too:

    Posted by Rich K    United States   01/16/2013  at  11:48 PM  
  5. Zounds, I think I can work with a couple of misses now and then with the 7mmRM.  Rather build the skills anyway.

    I have enough M855/SS109, as well as M193, M856, commercial .223, oh and all those other calibers, to stun, er, flatten an ox.  I’ll have to hand them over one at a time so we can get a good count.  “Hey, send more DHS guys.  I ran out.”

    Posted by Mr Evilwrench    United States   01/17/2013  at  01:10 AM  
  6. I’ve got a shitpile of those .223 SS109 bulk bullets. I don’t load them into cases much because I don’t have a need for piercing any armor at the moment. Besides, IMHO hollow points or soft points transfer energy a bit better into “soft targets”. Wonder what they’ll be worth in a year or two?

    Posted by ooGcM taobmaetS    United States   01/17/2013  at  11:28 AM  
  7. I am ready to hand over my ammo - one bullet at a time. The mags and clips are loaded, the defense strategy is thought out. The only question is how many will show up, and at which doors.

    I wonder if this is how the German citizens felt in the late 1930s?

    Posted by jackal40    United States   01/17/2013  at  01:25 PM  
  8. I’m not convinced that a lead bullet powered by matches would put a hole through 1/2 of cast iron. Though cast is quite crystaline and not like steel. That said I have conducted some experiments with .17 and .223 and .243 rounds on steel plate 6mm thick. The smaller rounds at 100yds wont penetrate, but leave substantial impact craters. The .243 punches right through. Also it looks to me like the heat generated by the impact melts the steel or vapourises it. Personally I am not too worried about the bullets. The components you should worry about are powder and specifically primers. Bullets are easy enough to cast, but I think it would be pretty tricky for the average Joe to cook up primers or manufacture nitro powder.....Not that I am suggesting you would horde these things wink

    Posted by LyndonB    United Kingdom   01/17/2013  at  09:22 PM  
  9. Lyndon, I agree. Lucky me to have >10,000 primers sitting around from the last “shortage” a couple years ago. Sometimes it rather feels like we’re being manipulated, oui?

    How thick is the iron in a frying pan? I didn’t actually measure it back in 1974. But the slug did blast right through it, and I doubt if match power gave it much velocity. Then again, maybe it did; I have no way to compare the chemistry between matches and gunpowder.

    Posted by Drew458    United States   01/18/2013  at  12:43 PM  
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