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they(americans) love european weapons. we make em the yanks kill each other with em

I think I was preordained to find stuff that just plain bothers the heck outta me, even if not looking for it.
Unlike liberals who actively go out looking for things that will offend them on behalf of other people.
I just find stuff without looking.  In this case, I was looking for some stats because I saw something in our amateur local newspaper.
It was just one of those man in the street interviews they run every week to fill space and make ppl think someone cares about what they think.

So the burning question of the week on the heels of the murder of those two unarmed lady constables was, should Brit cops all be armed.
Generally and for a reason I don’t understand, some ppl claim they’d be nervous going up to an armed officer even to ask directions on how to get somewhere.  Hey, if that’s how they feel, fine. It’s their country.  Then one guy interviewed on the topic comes up with this.

“I heard a statistic that one on ten American police officers shot are killed by police guns, so that’s the major problem with bringing it here.”

He concedes there are arguments for and against.

But that isn’t what bothered me.  I wanted to know where in the world he got that figure. I’ve a lifetime as an American living in KY, TN, CT, MA, AZ, CA.
I recall one time a few years ago, there was a major news story about a black female officer in New Orleans, who shot dead her partner.  I’m sure there may have been similar shootings over time of like nature.  We are after all dealing with human nature in all its twisted variety.  But surely if the number this fellow quotes were true, there’d have been lots more made of it and we’d all know, because that really would be a bleed leads feature of every newscaster and paper in the country.  I never read or heard about what he refers to.  Not even when I worked in radio and had to clear the all night news feeds.

So I went looking for a way to see if I could find statistics on cop on cop shootings, whether by accident or intentional. I didn’t get far at all because I stumbled on the following.  Which really did piss me off.  Criticism is one thing and we should all be able to take that in and reply without attacking the numbnuts who don’t care for how we live in our country and our attitude towards guns. 

The comments I found while looking for something else entirely are from 2011 but I found em anyway.  Lucky me.  And I read them of course.  That was lame.
And cos it was late I never did finish my original intent which was to research if I could, the stats mentioned by that fellow that started this whole thing.
Got tired and went to bed.

J.M.
Location: Vancouver, BC., Buenos Aires.

In the American society, weak minds tend to clinch on guns to fill the empty space in their mental and spiritual strength. They embrace guns like a little child embraces his Teddy bear. It’s a culture that has been promoted for commercial purposes. The NRA came up with the slogan “Guns don’t kill. People do”. That speaks for their cowardice in protecting their own interests over the precious life of the innocents like this 9-year-old child whose life was cut short by the insanity of a gun lover.
On a related topic, the violence in Mexico would not have been as intense as it has been if the weapon flows from the US were put to an end.
American people should follow the heroism of the 61-year-old lady who tackled the gun man. They must stand up and say enough is enough and take the courage and determination to stop evil people in the weapon business from taking control of their lives. Until then, this kind of tragedy will continue to repeat itself.

I haven’t a clue what 61 yr old she is referring to in the above. She then goes on in another posted comment.

I am not sure if I am missing something here but please help me out on this one. America is a democratic country, is it not? If congress is an institution that is supposed to represent the PEOPLE, under the assumption that the US is a democratic country, then please explain why this happens:

Approval Ratings:

Obama 47.3%
Congress: 21%

In a healthy democracy, this could not have been possible. So a possible conclusion is America is not a democratic country or at least, its democracy is very..... sick?

And finally someone else on guns in America. Like it’s really any of their business. 

BlueMax

Location: London, England
Gender: male
About me: Webmaster at PoliticsWorldwide.com
Web page: http://politicsworldwide.com

The argument about DC’s restrictive gun laws and high murder rate is a red herring. The US is so awash with weaponry almost anyone can get a handgun at almost any time.
Firearms control in the US is like King Cnut sitting on the beach commanding the sea to retreat. It’s a brave but ultimately pointless, or damaging, exercise.
If you’re a normal, decent person living in the US, particularly in a city, you MUST be armed to protect yourself and your family from the effects of the 2nd Amendment. The criminals are armed, or can get a gun in 5 mins, so normal people must be too.
That’s the consequence of a firearms-saturated society. US gun murder rates reflect that saturation.
The Yanks will never, ever, give up their arms. Ownership’s protected by the Constitution. Lawmakers and judges tinker at the edges but the effect is usually to make life easier for the criminal.
Britain, thank God, doesn’t suffer that saturation. The UK’s restrictive gun laws, passed in stages over the last c. 100 years, have made gun crime rare. That’s reflected in our hospital trauma units: few UK doctors ever treat a bullet wound. In the States an ER doctor learns about gun trauma with his mother’s milk.
Plus we’re not a disarmed society. The British countryside is awash with legally held shotguns and rifles. But the curse of handgun saturation has been avoided.
Well done the Brits.
My heart goes out to the poor old Yanks, sitting on a great pile of guns, shaking in their boots at the thought of getting shot, caught in a cycle of gun violence endorsed by their Constitution.
The other thing to keep in mind about US gun-saturation is they just LOVE European weapons. We make ‘em, the Yanks kill each other with ‘em.

There’s an argument that the US, given its handgun-saturation problem, backed by an outdated yet impossible to amend Constitutional right to bear arms, is actually doing quite well in the murder-stakes. The US gun murder rate, given the huge pile of guns in US society, could be very much higher.
The other difference with the UK is gun ownership in Britain, like so much else, is class-based. The large numbers of legally held weapons in the UK countryside are owned mainly by toffs - rich people with land, or access to land.
Conversely, In the States gun ownership is spread across the social classes, with blue collar and lower middle class gun owners forming the backbone of the National Rifle Association (NRA).

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Posted by peiper    United Kingdom   on 09/29/2012 at 07:00 AM   
 
  1. BlueMax (and my goodness, can’t we read a lot into that nom de plume!) ALMOST gets it, but then screws it up.

    “you MUST be armed to protect yourself and your family from the effects of the 2nd Amendment. “ is circular reasoning. The UK, without a 2nd of it’s own, seems to be overflowing with random spontaneous “knife crimes” done just for the hell of it, a very high rate of violent home invasions, and a roustabout mentality among the drunken unemployed youth. In America, bar fights exist pretty much only in old time westerns. They don’t happen every Friday night at the corner bar. Nor do we have weekly sports riots. We don’t have all of that (outside of the ghetto zoos where no law applies nor humans venture) because ... DUH ... people would get shot. So all y’all Brits are actually living with a higher amount of violence on a daily basis, albeit violence that’s usually a bit less than always fatal.

    And then he comes around to class ... which makes me chuckle, since the typical lower class Brit - a yob, a chav, Essex girls - is on par with trailer trash and wiggers here, and yours are acting aloof because an upper class exists there that they have zero access to. But your little Lord seems to be arguing that guns in the hands of the elite is just fine, it’s the wretched masses that should be disarmed. And that’s A) why we have the 2nd in the first place, and B) exactly where “gun control” comes from - Jim Crow. It just bugs me that he’s more or less correct, because the vast majority of gun violence in the USA comes from within a small ethnic/urban group or two. But that leaves us with a “chicken & egg thing”, so you wonder if they’d be killing each other with bats and knives anyway, JUST LIKE IN ENGLAND, if they didn’t have guns.

    Posted by Drew458    United States   09/29/2012  at  09:37 AM  
  2. Perhaps the half wit should have a look at the King Canute story, he I believe did that to prove he did not wield god like power! so blows his theory!. As for England the gun violence there is high, I know pubs in London where I bet I could buy a hot hand gun inside one hour. There are gun deaths way too often, 4 unarmed female police officers in the last few years . People are frightened by guns when they dont know, just like falling off the end of the flat earth.

    Posted by Chris Edwards    Canada   09/29/2012  at  10:49 AM  
  3. Oh good ,I get toi be the first on here to give a big ol FUCK YOU to those clowns writing that shit.I assume wild animals dont exist in Blighty anymore either so you dont need to worry about that silliness ( I always go in the woods unarmed so nature can make me UN Armed from communing with a mountain lion). Not!
    Good point about the clue bats Drew, no doubt these chum sweat that possibilty often.
    Oh well, even asshats need something to write about.

    Posted by Rich K    United States   09/29/2012  at  06:31 PM  
  4. I find it humorous (in a sick, twisted way) that these folks want me (and my family) to give up our right to defend ourselves. Setting aside all of the liberal slogans, what is the core issue? The we responsible American’s have chosen to defend ourselves instead of waiting for the Government to do it for us.

    With a Hearty “Go Fk; Yourselves” I’m reminded that with the start of another month - it’s time to perform my ritual gun cleaning, ammo counting, and supply inventory. Thanks libs!

    Posted by jackal40    United States   09/30/2012  at  07:45 AM  
  5. Its not just guns in Britain these days, the gangster who feels he has been disrespected nowadays reaches for a hand grenade to settle scores. Rich there are no predators in the British countryside which could tackle a human. The only predators are in the cities and banning hand guns didn’t really worry them. Ultimately gun control is not about gun control its about control. If the citizen isn’t armed he can never pose a threat to those who are in power.

    Posted by LyndonB    United Kingdom   10/02/2012  at  10:36 AM  
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