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Two female police officers went to a reported burglary yesterday. Sadly, it was a set up.  As it was only a burglary and as we all know there is never any danger connected with that low level but courageous (according to one judge) crime, they were met with a hail of bullets and a hand grenade. One was dead at the scene the died in hosp. Neither was armed as people here are very uncomfortable with armed police.  They’ll have none of that American wild west cowboy stuff here by golly. In this case, even if the ladies were armed with cannon they’d have stood no chance.  They were ambushed.  Their killer was not new to the killing game having already done away with a couple of underworld guys who irked him.  There was even an $80,000 reward for him.  He walked into a police station after this latest shooting and simply turned himself in.

So that’s the background to this article of which I will post very little.
Just a short bit and you’ll see why very soon.


Two female police officers shot dead in Manchester as man arrested

Two female police officers have died after being lured to an apparent ambush where there were callously gunned down.
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By Martin Evans, Crime Correspondent

Fiona Bone, 32, and Nicola Hughes, 23, were responding to a routine report of a house burglary in the Mottram district of Greater Manchester when they were killed.
Shortly after the incident Dale Cregan, 29, who was being sought in connection with a gun and grenade attack in the city, walked into a police station and was arrested on suspcion of their murder.
It is understood that a number of shots were fired during the incident and a grenade was also detonated.

Of course there more to read and you may do that HERE and there are other links as well.  There isn’t any need for me to post more on the story and if you’re interested in more you have the link.

The reason for me posting this story at all aside from the shock value, and that did not count in my decision at all, has to do with armed police.  Or unarmed as they prefer here.  And oh btw, they are really expert on armed American cops. (in a pig’s ass)

Take a look.


Nick Clegg rejects calls for armed police officers after Manchester shootings

Calls to routinely arm police following the killing of two women officers were rejected by Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who warned against any knee-jerk response to the tragedy.

Calls to routinely arm police following the killing of two women officers were rejected by Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who warned against any knee-jerk response to the tragedy.

Mr Clegg said the move would carry “considerable risks” and could damage relations between police and the communities they serve.
The president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, Sir Hugh Orde, also spoke out against any potential change, saying guns “don’t necessarily solve the problem”.

“I think if we were, in an instant, to, in a sense, arm our police to the teeth so they become separate from the public, that would be quite a big change which would have considerable risks attached to it.
Sir Hugh told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme it was the “clear view of the British police service from top to bottom” that officers prefer to be unarmed because the public dislike approaching constables bearing weapons.

He added: “Guns don’t necessarily solve the problem. You only have to look at the American experience.
“Many colleagues in America are lost without even drawing their gun at close ranges.”

“Many colleagues in America are lost without even drawing their gun at close ranges.”

And that last bit is why I bothered to post this at all.  Many died when they couldn’t draw their weapon, so lets not have any cop with a gun.
No mention made of course of the lives saved. Perish the thought. Our head is made up already so don’t lets confuse the issue with any facts or interviews with American cops who are damn well comfortable with that sidearm.  And as a citizen by god so am I.  How is it possible I grew up in a country of armed police and never felt nervous or uncomfortable with our guys?  And never gave a thought to their gun if I had to approach one.  Or was stopped by one. 

There was a period in the history of this place, when the bad guys themselves generally didn’t want a gun, cos the penalty was too high. And anyway, the idea of shooting a cop was mostly unheard of.  It was like some kind of unwritten agreement.
Yeah I may be painting an overly bright picture but by and large, in another age cops weren’t the target they are today.  And there wasn’t any pc dictatorship or speech police.
Anyway, the excuse and reasoning used by that Orde know it all, shows how divorced from reality these schmucks are.

So that’s my rant for the day.



Posted by peiper    United Kingdom   on 09/19/2012 at 11:08 AM   
 
  1. So, you think this squint eyed fuckstick will get off with another ASBO? Or will 90 days in jail be sufficient social debt for the murder of 2 bobbiettes?

    Posted by Drew458    United States   09/19/2012  at  11:40 AM  
  2. Good job we banned handguns eh? What’s that you say? Now only the criminals have handguns? Who’d a thunk it? I am not convinced about arming the police here given how inept many of them are, but I would support the death penalty being restored.

    Posted by LyndonB    United Kingdom   09/19/2012  at  11:41 AM  
  3. I will no longer talk ill of the French as I know they arm the cops and let them do what it takes to keep the peace. Bizarro World Indeed!
    2gunsfiring

    Posted by Rich K    United States   09/19/2012  at  01:08 PM  
  4. Peiper,

    I mourn their loss, and hope he burns in hell! Yes, the French Police WILL kill the sh*t outof the bad guys!

    Mike

    Posted by BOGEYB    United States   09/19/2012  at  07:25 PM  
  5. Peiper: “And that last bit is why I bothered to post this at all.  Many died when they couldn’t draw their weapon, so lets not have any cop with a gun. ”

    Ah yes, the fallacy of “It isn’t 100% perfect, so let’s not do it at all.” Of course they only ever apply that to things they don’t like.  They sure as hell don’t apply it to their own sacred cows.

    Posted by Argentium G. Tiger    Canada   09/19/2012  at  08:17 PM  
  6. My sister in the States is (for some reason) anti-gun and when the subject comes up she always falls back on the old: “See England and Ireland, where is almost impossible to own a handgun or assault rifle, the murder rate is much lower than in the U.S....yada-yada-yada.”

    I can’t concince her that it would be easier, but maybe not as cheap, for me to buy a semi-auto handgun in North Dublin than it would for me in New Jersey.

    I’m sure this is true for all the larger cities and town in the UK as well.

    Posted by New Jersey Yankee    Ireland   09/20/2012  at  12:53 AM  
  7. I always thought the German Police (Polizei) had the right approach to it - granted they are in a socialist country where the rights of each side are different than in the USA, but they get to walk around carrying pistols, nice little spring loaded rubber batons, and Uzis.

    It’s a no nonsense method of Police work - fail to follow instructions, watch my baton bounce off your head 20 times. Pull a gun - I shoot you back, with more bullets.

    Can’t believe the Brit’s would let the Germans beat them at something like this.

    Posted by jackal40    United States   09/20/2012  at  06:28 AM  
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