Friday - February 08, 2008

THE 9/11 SUICIDE KILLERS COULD HAVE HAD A “MORAL GOAL” and we shouldn’t think of them “AS EVIL.”

That’s what this worthless walking pile of excrement has said.  He’s said, addressing a group of muslims, that America is worse then Britain in it’s days of empire and refers to something he calls, “Christian Zionism.” He also praises the call to prayer five times a day.

He is The Archbishop of Canterbury!  The top guy in The Church of England.

By now I’m certain this story is all over the blog world and it’s on the BBC in print, on the air and online.  I’m also certain that you’ve already read some of this so I’ll give you the link to the Telegraph version here. >>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/index.jhtml There’s a video.

This is the editorial from today’s Telegraph:

Archbishop of Canterbury’s inept intervention
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 08/02/2008

The Archbishop of Canterbury yesterday used a lecture in the Royal Courts of Justice to propose that sharia law should be applied in certain circumstances. The idea is not as outlandish as it may first appear.

There are already sharia councils in this country to which Muslims turn for advice and religious sanction in matters such as divorce. Likewise, Orthodox Jews have recourse to the Beth Din over, for example, dietary laws, divorce and tenancy disputes.

A further instance of legal sensitivity to religious belief is the ability of Christian doctors to opt out of abortions. So Dr Rowan Williams’s argument that there should be “a constructive accommodation with some aspects of Muslim law” is, to a certain extent, recognition of a situation which already exists.

The problem lies, rather, in the status of the messenger and the timing of his intervention. If there is a case for the creation of sharia courts, it would be better made by a joint group representing the three Abrahamic faiths - Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Coming from the senior bishop in the Church of England, it is vulnerable to interpretation as appeasement of Islamic extremism prompted by fear of social unrest.

As for timing, the lecture was given shortly after threats had been made against one of Dr Williams’s fellow bishops, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali of Rochester, for writing in the Sunday Telegraph that Islamic extremism had turned some communities into no-go areas for non-Muslims. Add to this the growing recognition of the failures of multiculturalism, and you have on the part of the archbishop a classic example of political ineptitude.

Even with more convincing advocacy, the creation of sharia courts in this country faces an uphill battle. In the public mind, sharia is associated with brutal punishment, whether the amputation of hands for theft or stoning for adultery and apostasy.

It is also seen as repressive to women; a journalist in Afghanistan is facing the death penalty for having distributed a report taken off the internet which questions the practice of polygamy. A further obstacle is the opposition to a dual legal system of the Muslim Council of Britain, an organisation not always associated with moderation.

In 2006, it was brought home to Pope Benedict XVI the way in which a supposedly innocuous reference to Islam - a quotation from a 14th-century Byzantine emperor - can create a furore. In the case of the archbishop, it is not so much the idea, as the way it will be interpreted that counts.

Muslim radicals will view it as the bending of the British establishment to fundamentalist pressure; that will hardly make for the social cohesion which lies behind Dr Williams’s thinking. The present informal arrangement of sharia councils is preferable in the current context to their elevation into courts. On this most inflammatory of subjects the archbishop would have best kept silent.

http://tinyurl.com/223q37 At the bottom of the editorial there will be some related articles that explain the “No Go areas mentioned above. 

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   Monday - February 04, 2008

Female Muslim medics ‘disobey hygiene rules’

OK, Now before anyone gets upset and says naughty things you must remember.  These are muslims and we MUST have empathy and understanding and blah,blah,blah.

Female Muslim medics ‘disobey hygiene rules’
By Julie Henry and Laura Donnelly
Last Updated: 1:51am GMT 04/02/2008

Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against their religion.

Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam.

Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be “bare below the elbow”.

The measure is deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.

Minutes of a clinical academics’ meeting at Liverpool University revealed that female Muslim students at Alder Hey children’s hospital had objected to rolling up their sleeves to wear gowns.

Similar concerns have been raised at Leicester University. Minutes from a medical school committee said that “a number of Muslim females had difficulty in complying with the procedures to roll up sleeves to the elbow for appropriate handwashing”.

Sheffield University also reported a case of a Muslim medic who refused to “scrub” as this left her forearms exposed.

Documents from Birmingham University reveal that some students would prefer to quit the course rather than expose their arms, and warn that it could leave trusts open to legal action.

Hygiene experts said last night that no exceptions should be made on religious grounds.

Dr Mark Enright, professor of microbiology at Imperial College London, said: “To wash your hands properly, and reduce the risks of MRSA and C.difficile, you have to be able to wash the whole area around the wrist.

“I don’t think it would be right to make an exemption for people on any grounds. The policy of bare below the elbows has to be applied universally.”

Dr Charles Tannock, a Conservative MEP and former hospital consultant, said: “These students are being trained using taxpayers’ money and they have a duty of care to their patients not to put their health at risk.

”Perhaps these women should not be choosing medicine as a career if they feel unable to abide by the guidelines that everyone else has to follow.”

But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.

“No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient - should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow,” it said.

Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: “Exposed arms can pick up germs and there is a lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to the patient if

covered. One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows.”

http://tinyurl.com/2nafaf

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   Monday - January 28, 2008

Gordon B. Hinckley R.I.P.

I’m really sad. Gordon B. Hinckley was the last of the Church leadership I knew as a teen. He will be sorely missed.

KSL

Officials with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced this evening that Church President Gordon B. Hinckley has passed away.

He passed away at his home about 7 o’clock this evening with his family was at his side. President Hinckley was 97 years old. He was the 15th president of the Church.

Born in Salt Lake City on June 23, 1910; he graduated from the University of Utah and served a mission to Great Britain. After he returned, he embarked on a lifetime of service for the Church.

He was employed as the executive secretary of the Church Radio, Publicity, and Literature committee, before he was called to be an Apostle in 1961.

He was later called to serve as a counselor to President Kimball, President Benson and President Hunter.

Since becoming Church President on Mar. 12, 1995, he has directed the most intense temple building program in the history of the Church in an effort to extend temple blessings to more members.

He has exhibited vitality and energy as he has traveled about the world meeting and speaking to members of the Church.

Through television interviews and national press publications, he has increased media attention and improved the public image of the Church. He has counseled Church members to fellowship new converts, befriend members of other faiths, live exemplary lives, and avoid the evils of the world.

UPDATE: Here is a photo essay about President Hinckley.

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   Friday - January 18, 2008

this’ll give ‘em fits!

via tammybruce and lotsa other places, an article from last week’s WSJ

The Lost Archive

that tells how a very old German scholar hid photographs of ancient Korans for over 60 years, pretending they had been lost in WWII. These Korans are so old that they are not even written in Arabic, a language that was in its infancy at the time of the prophet (bees pee upon him). Instead they are written in Syriac, a version of Aramaic that was common, and widely used for literature, at that time.

Very interesting. If naming a teddy bear after old Mo causes riots, and the false story of a flushing causes murders world-wide, imagine what would happen if these old books were translated and published, and there were major differences between them and today’s K-book.

One difference, worth a laugh because it actually supports a derisive right wing meme:

A scholar in northern Germany writes under the pseudonym of Christoph Luxenberg because, he says, his controversial views on the Quran risk provoking Muslims. He claims that chunks of it were written not in Arabic but in another ancient language, Syriac. The “virgins” promised by the Quran to Islamic martyrs, he asserts, are in fact only “grapes.”

Hey, after 1400 years they’d be raisins by now.

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   Tuesday - December 25, 2007

Merry Christmas

I don’t have a profound message either. Other than Mr. Krueger’s to the Christ child…

“Thank you.”

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   Thursday - December 20, 2007

OH COME ALL YE FAITHFUL TO MIDNIGHT MASS.  BE THERE AT 8pm THOUGH ,SAY POLICE.

OH COME ALL YE FAITHFUL TO MIDNIGHT MASS.  BE THERE AT 8pm THOUGH ,SAY POLICE.

Police should safeguard Midnight Mass

Sir - I find it astonishing that the police have advised Roman Catholic clergy in many areas to hold Midnight Mass at eight in the evening, because of fears of alcohol-related violent crime (report, December 19).

The police have the powers to take action against licensed outlets that sell alcohol to someone who is intoxicated, and to arrest anyone who is drunk and disorderly. Is it the first tacit admission by the police that they have not only lost control of Britain’s streets, but also that they have no intention of trying to reclaim them?

Michael Perris, Brighton, East Sussex

Sir - I wonder if the leaders of other faiths would be happy to rearrange their traditional timetables if services were likely to be disrupted or worshippers were threatened with violence - or would they possibly expect the police to protect them?

John Haythorne, Woking, Surrey

Sir - Instead of taking the easy option of advising churches to hold Midnight Mass at a wholly inappropriate time to avoid disruption by rowdy drunks, the police should do what they are paid to do; be out on the streets to prevent such occurrences, thus ensuring that church-goers can worship in peace.

Bill Hollowell, Peterborough, Cambridgeshire

Sir - While members of our Armed Forces are giving their lives in countries far away to bring democracy to their populations, our own church-goers are scurrying surreptitiously to their places of worship hoping to arrive and depart safely. Instead of closing churches early, why not close pubs and clubs before it gets dark?

Gerald Fisher, Kettering, Northamptonshire

Sir - Am I really living in a country where Midnight Mass cannot be celebrated at midnight?

Tony Langford, Coventry

dtletters@telegraph.co.uk

I just HAD to post these letters from this morning’s paper.  Ain’t this somethin?  I just guess being a Christian at Christmas isn’t the thing to be if you expect peace at, in or near your church.  Midnight mass at 8pm.  Just doesn’t have a ring to it but hey, the rowdies and yobs and drunks have rights too ya know.
Wonder if the police advice was given with a straight face.  Ya think? Maybe.

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   Monday - December 10, 2007

Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity

Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity Ah ..From those wonderful folks who have given us a religion of “peace.”
A religion of compassion, a religion of understanding ... whoops. There goes my lunch.

Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity
Last Updated: 2:20pm GMT 10/12/2007Page 1 of 3

When Sofia Allam left the Muslim faith for Christianity, the response from her family was one of persecution and threats. Alasdair Palmer explores the dangers facing Islam’s apostates

Sofia Allam simply could not believe it. Her kind, loving father was sitting in front of her threatening to kill her. He said she had brought shame and humiliation on him, that she was now “worse than the muck on their shoes” and she deserved to die.

Religious persecution of the kind Sofia suffers is increasingly common in Britain today

And what had brought on his transformation? He had discovered that she had left the Muslim faith in which he had raised her and become a Christian.

“He said he couldn’t have me in the house now that I was a Kaffir [an insulting term for a non-Muslim],” Sofia - not her real name - remembers.

“He said I was damned for ever. He insulted me horribly. I couldn’t recognise that man as the father who had been so kind to me as I was growing up.

“My mother’s transformation was even worse. She constantly beat me about the head. She screamed at me all the time. I remember saying to them, as they were shouting death threats, ‘Mum, Dad - you’re saying you should kill me… but I’m your daughter! Don’t you realise that?’?”

They did not: they insisted they wanted her out of their house.

Long article but well worth the read. Catch the rest here.

http://tinyurl.com/2tfe7a

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   Wednesday - December 05, 2007

a modern BBC nativity :  O Come All Ye Fatthless

Oh Darn.  Wish they’d publish ALL of the photo online as in paper. Just as well I guess.  The guy dressed as Jesus would really piss off Mel Gibson.
Actually, from the report there are rather a large number of Christians not too pleased.  Can’t say I blame them.  Oh boy, if the subject was islam ....

Follow the soap star: a modern BBC nativity By Nicole Martin, Digital and Media Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:10pm GMT 05/12/2007

A former glamour model and soap star sits on top of a bus shelter, squeezed into a silver catsuit. A pregnant teenager stands below, nearby is an abandoned shopping trolley. It may sound like a scene from a new comedy series, but is, in fact, the BBC’s modern-day vision of the Christmas story.

In a move which has dismayed religious groups, the corporation is to broadcast a “contemporary” nativity play featuring Mary and Joseph as asylum seekers who are instructed to report to the nearest passport office.

The story, set in Liverpool, stars the former Brookside actress Jennifer Ellison as an angel and Geoffrey Hughes, who played Eddie Yeats in Coronation Street, as the Angel Gabriel. During the performance on Dec 16, which will be broadcast live on BBC3, the 300-strong cast will walk through parts of the city singing hits from local bands such as The Beatles and The Zutons, with the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra.

The actress Cathy Tyson takes the role of Herodia, a paranoid minister in a fictional state who orders a crackdown on immigration. In the midst of the turmoil, Mary discovers she is pregnant and must fight to protect both Joseph and her unborn child.

The project is not the first of its kind to be attempted by the BBC. On Good Friday 2006, it staged a live version of the Passion from the streets of Manchester.

The Prayer Book Society accused the BBC of indulging in “gimmickry”. “This is not the sort of thing that Christmas needs,” said Tony Kilmister, its vice-president. “The story is loved and revered by Christians around the world. There is a dignity to it that will be lost. Adding political correctness of this sort is harmful and quite uncalled for.”

A dramatisation next year of the final week in the life of Jesus Christ will be more to the traditionalists’ liking. The Passion, which will be shown across Easter week in six episodes, was unveiled yesterday as one of the highlights of BBC1’s winter schedule.

http://tinyurl.com/377yr8

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   Monday - December 03, 2007

TIS THE SEASON TO BE MERRY ?

So how do I explain this without you guys thinking it’s a gag?

I can’t explain it cept to say, it’s on page 3 of the Sunday Telegraph and altho I tried, I couldn’t find the link anywhere.
So you’ll have to believe it.  Right.  You don’t “have” to do anything.

The Church of England is offering an alternative service for those who dislike Christams.  (there, I said it) But wait. There’s more.

The Rev. Tracy Rishton says “the service will be quiet and reflective, with songs such as,
In The Bleak Midwinter, instead of uplifting carols.”

Meanwhile, over at the competition in the Catholic church those folks are gonna hold a “wine and whinge” evening as part of a move to win back lapsed worshippers.

....

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   Thursday - November 15, 2007

Sick bastards

via LGF, original article posted at Brietbart

A court in the ultra-conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia is punishing a female victim of gang rape with 200 lashes and six months in jail, a newspaper reported on Thursday.

The 19-year-old woman—whose six armed attackers have been sentenced to jail terms—was initially ordered to undergo 90 lashes for “being in the car of an unrelated male at the time of the rape,” the Arab News reported.

But in a new verdict issued after Saudi Arabia’s Higher Judicial Council ordered a retrial, the court in the eastern town of Al-Qatif more than doubled the number of lashes to 200.

A court source told the English-language Arab News that the judges had decided to punish the woman further for “her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.”

Saudi Arabia enforces a strict Islamic doctrine known as Wahhabism and forbids unrelated men and women from associating with each other, bans women from driving and forces them to cover head-to-toe in public.

Last year, the court sentenced six Saudi men to between one and five years in jail for the rape as well as ordering lashes for the victim, a member of the minority Shiite community.

But the woman’s lawyer Abdul Rahman al-Lahem appealed, arguing that the punishments were too lenient in a country where the offence can carry the death penalty.

In the new verdict issued on Wednesday, the Al-Qatif court also toughened the sentences against the six men to between two and nine years in prison.

The case has angered members of Saudi Arabia’s Shiite community. The convicted men are Sunni Muslims, the dominant community in the oil-rich Gulf state.

Lahem, also a human rights activist, told AFP on Wednesday that the court had banned him from handling the rape case and withdrew his licence to practise law because he challenged the verdict.

He said he has also been summoned by the ministry of justice to appear before a disciplinary committee in December.

Lahem said the move might be due to his criticism of some judicial institutions, and “contradicts King Abdullah’s quest to introduce reform, especially in the justice system.”

King Abdullah last month approved a new body of laws regulating the judicial system in Saudi Arabia, which rules on the basis of sharia, or Islamic law.

What a sick and twisted outlook on life. This is a religion? Ha! This is a justice system? Like hell. What a disgusting farce.

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   Wednesday - October 31, 2007

Deputies Seize Baby From Parents

From Wardmama.

Deputies Seize Baby From Parents

By: Anna Jo Bratton
Associated Press Writer

OMAHA, Neb.—A nearly 7-week-old baby is home after sheriff’s deputies seized him from his parents so doctors could perform a mandatory blood test that the boy’s parents object to on religious grounds.

Mary and Josue Anaya of Omaha say their due process rights were violated and they’re considering legal action against the state and county, which decided to “grab the baby and ask questions later,” said their attorney, Jeff Downing of Lincoln.

The Douglas County attorney’s office says it only did what was necessary to protect the baby’s health. The blood test—usually performed within 48 hours of birth—screens for dozens of rare diseases, some of which can cause severe mental retardation or death if left undetected.

“Our job is to uphold the law and provide for the safety of a child that’s at risk,” said Nicole Brundo Goaley, a deputy Douglas County Attorney. “We wanted to make sure the testing was going to get done.”

It’s the first time in Nebraska a child was taken from parents to draw the drops of blood from the baby’s heel for the screening, said Marla Augustine, spokeswoman for the state Department of Health and Human Services. Nebraska is one of four states—South Dakota, Michigan and Montana are the others—that doesn’t offer a religious exemption for parents who don’t want the test performed.

Health officials say the newborn screening is one of the state’s most cost-effective public health programs. Last year, out of 26,819 babies tested, 537 tested positive for one of the dozens of diseases, and 43 of those results were confirmed, according to the state’s Newborn Screening Program.

The Anayas and some other families say the screening is not only unnecessary for them, it may be dangerous to their children’s physical and spiritual well-being.

The Anayas believe that the Bible instructs against deliberately drawing blood and that ignoring that directive may shorten a person’s life.

Now I don’t necessarily agree with these parent’s stance, but what does that have to do with anything?  They have a conviction about the way they provide for the health of their child.  Is it the state’s right to override that?

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   Tuesday - June 12, 2007

Trouble In Rome

So President Bush stepped in it on Saturday when he called the Pope “Sir” instead of “Your Holiness”.

Vatican City - US President George W Bush drew gasps at the Vatican on Saturday by referring to Pope Benedict XVI as “sir” instead of the expected “His Holiness”, pool reporters said.

They could clearly hear the US leader say “Yes, sir” when the pope asked him if he was going to meet with officials of the lay Catholic Sant’Egidio community at the US embassy later during his visit.

I was gone for most of the weekend, so I had missed the news.  After checking the weapons and ammunition at the house, I logged on to CNN to see how far the Catholic riots had gotten.  I was sure there would be stories of cafe and school bombings, protest demonstrations with posters calling for Bush’s head and cars on fire.

Nothing.

I can’t find one story of Catholics around the globe protesting the defemation of their sacred leader.  Is it a cover-up?  Surely they would all take great offense at the gaffe and take to the streets.

What’s going on here?

Oh, that’s right.....wrong religion.

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   Sunday - June 10, 2007

The Creation Museum

At our annual Home School convention this weekend, the keynote speaker, who also presented a number of workshops, was Ken Ham.  If you don’t know about Ken, he is a Christian apologist who founded Answers in Genesis.  He teaches creation science straight from Scripture and belives (as I do) that the foundation of all Scripture is found in Genesis 1-11.  He was a fantastic speaker and we ended up spending a pile of lucre at his booth.

He has recently opened the Creation Museum in the Cincinnati area (actually, in Petersburg, KY).  The pictures and descriptions he gave us made it sound like a great place to visit. 

Are there any BMEWS members out there that have been there and can give us a field report?

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   Thursday - May 17, 2007

Revenge Of The Teletubbies

_{Mike Lester - The Rome News-Tribune}

Onward, Christian Soldiers – The Jerry Falwell Legacy

-- by Michael Reagan

While giving him credit (or in their secularist eyes, mostly the blame) for the rebirth of Christian political activism, most of the media commentary about the late Jerry Falwell centered around his so-called “controversial” remarks.

Putting aside the fact that those remarks were solidly rooted in the Holy Bible and Judeo-Christian tradition, all of the emphasis should have been on his astonishing success in giving new meaning to that great old marching song “Onward, Christian Soldiers.” Jerry Falwell was the marchers’ chief recruiting sergeant.

I keep hearing how Jerry Falwell was instrumental in electing my dad, Ronald Reagan. My reaction to that was that it was nobody but Ronald Reagan himself and a lot of people like Jerry Falwell who were instrumental in his election victories.

Sure, the Rev. Falwell’s support was more than helpful, but his role in that election is not why he should be remembered. It makes light of his real accomplishments.

Jerry Falwell’s monumental achievement was to stir up a vast slumbering Christian community, enliven it, and make it the vibrant and powerful force in America’s political life that it remains today.

He told them that yes, you can walk out of your homes, you can get out of the pews, you can actually get involved in politics and vote for people instead of sitting back and griping about the world going to hell in a hand basket.

He said it was about time the Christian community woke up and started looking for candidates who in fact fit their Christian values and moral criteria and get out and support them for different political offices, including the presidency of the United States.

In effect, he gave Christians their marching orders to get involved in politics.

In the light of the present political climate that may not sound all that revolutionary, but when he launched that crusade it was something both previously unheard of and daring.

He caught hell, or course, from the political left who howled about keeping church and state at arm’s length. How dare he do this, they cried, knowing full well that what the Rev. Falwell was doing was threatening their stranglehold on the political life of this nation.

Christians, they believed, should neither be seen nor heard on the subject of politics. That was solely the secular left’s business – Christians should butt out.

Christians they said, should stay in the closet, keep their morals and their values and their antiquated beliefs to themselves, and above all make no attempt to influence the course of events.

In the face of this assault Jerry Falwell simply redoubled his efforts, challenging Christians to dismantle the temples of atheistic secularism and put God back in His rightful place at the center of the public square.

The result of this rebirth of the idea that Christians and other believers had a responsibility to speak out and act in behalf of Judeo-Christian principles and to elect candidates who supported them, was the success of the Reagan revolution and the elections of both Bushes.

The power he unleashed was most recently evident in 2004 when the Christian community banded together, came out in droves and won Ohio—and thus the presidency—for George W. Bush.

Jerry Falwell supported Ronald Reagan because he knew that my dad not only espoused Christian morals and values, but actually lived them every moment of his life.

Tragically, as Jerry Falwell departs the scene to rejoin my dad in that place a loving God reserves for those who were loyal to Him while on Earth, most of the current politicians are more apt to follow the polls than Judeo-Christian principles.

Look at the Democratic candidates, for example—the only time you’ll see them in church is in an election year – and it’s never their own church, but always some Black church they manage to discover when they are running for office and forget as soon as election day passes.

Their religious beliefs slumber until an election nears and they then suddenly spring to life, at least temporarily, and they can conveniently store them away until the next election.

Requiescat in pacem, Jerry.

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_{Mike Reagan, the eldest son of the late President Ronald Reagan, is heard on more than 200 talk radio stations nationally as part of the Radio America Network. Look for Mike’s newest book, “Twice Adopted.” E-mail comments to Reagan@caglecartoons.com.©2007 Mike Reagan.}

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