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Saturday - March 09, 2013
you can’t have one
HK’s new 7.62 NATO machine gun. Versatile and adaptable, it fits the various mounts and tripods already in service. The new design shaves several pounds off the current gun. Fast change barrel system allows the gun crew to take a smoked barrel off in seconds and just drop it in a puddle or a bucket of water to cool it down, and a spare barrel goes on just as fast. Looks to me like it’s a Browning style cycling barrel, and the spring mounting (an a muzzle brake?) cuts recoil and muzzle climb to just about nothing. Pretty ferocious gun.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e29_1352371125&comments=1
h/t to John J
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Permalink • Monday - March 04, 2013
At Rest Again, At Last
‘Here he lies where he longed to be,
Home is the sailor, home from sea,
And the hunter home from the hill.’
150 years later, Union sailors from USS Monitor to be buried at Arlington
Two Navy sailors slated for heroes’ burials at Arlington National Cemetery have waited a century and a half for the honor.
The men were among the crew members who perished aboard the legendary Union battleship the USS Monitor, which fought an epic Civil War battle with Confederate vessel
The MerrimackCSS Virgina in the first battle between two ironclad ships in the Battle of Hampton Roads, on March 9, 1862.Nine months later, the Monitor sank in rough seas off of Cape Hatteras, where it was discovered in 1973. Two skeletons and the tattered remains of their uniforms were discovered in the rusted hulk of the Union ironclad in 2002, when its 150-ton turret was brought to the surface. The Navy spent most of a decade trying to determine the identity of the remains through DNA testing.
“These may very well be the last Navy personnel from the Civil War to be buried at Arlington,” Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said. “It’s important we honor these brave men and all they represent as we reflect upon the significant role Monitor and her crew had in setting the course of our modern Navy.”
Although testing has narrowed the identities of the men down to six, descendants of all 16 soldiers who died when the ship sank are expected at the ceremony. Diana Rambo, of Fresno, Calif., said DNA testing showed a 50 percent chance that one man was Jacob Nicklis, her grandfather’s uncle. A ring on his right finger matched one in an old photograph, adding to the likelihood he was her relative. She plans to be at the cemetery when he is buried.
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David Alberg, superintendent of the Monitor sanctuary, pressed for the pair to have Arlington burial honors, as did the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Maritime Heritage Program and descendants of the surviving Monitor crewmembers.
Learn more about the ship here. And more about the conservation efforts here, with pictures.
The USS Monitor was the first ship to have a rotating armored gun turret. Armed with 2 11” bore Dahlgreen cannons, each 13’6” long, weighing 8 tons and resting on a 3200 pound gun carriage, each gun could fire 166lb shells over 2 miles. The 21.5’ diameter 120 ton iron turret was protected by 8” thick laminated iron armor. It must have meant instant deafness to be in the turret when the guns fired, or when cannonballs from the Virginia struck it repeatedly. Imagine a gong the size of your living room ...
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BMEWSd and BMEWSetts,
Those who have been here for a few years have read of my friend flapjawman. A retired officer, he was recalled to duty after 911. Next week he will be in town and has agreed to set for an interview with me. He is associated with government intelligence. Two rules:
1) all questions to be submitted to me via email. I will then forward them to him. He will decide if he can answer them. Note that he doesn’t even want the questions posted online. The fact that he didn’t answer questions posted online can tell our enemies something. Loose lips… etc.
2) He’s welcoming questions on Syria.
Please send any questions to Radnor@SomethingsRotten.com. Don’t post them online or in comments. You can mention that you sent a question in the comments.
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Permalink • Monday - February 11, 2013
Walking a fine line, or leaping across it?
h/t to Doc Jeff, who spotted this and wonders ... is posse comitatus dead? WTH, it’s just another bit of the Constitution gone, and at this point who would notice another missing shred?
[from Wikipedia] The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction and was updated in 1981. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce the State laws. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the United States Armed Forces from exercising Law enforcement agency powers within a State, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order”; it requires that any authority to do so must exist within the United States Constitution or Act of Congress (which it currently does not except under the Insurrection Act).{Federalist 29 (Hamilton, 1788)} Any use of the Armed Forces under either Title 10/Active Duty or Title 10/Reserves at the direction of the President will offend the Constitutional Law also known as Public Law prohibiting such action unless declared by the President of the United States and approved by Congress. Any infringement will be problematic for political and legal reasons.
The Bill/Act as modified in 1981 refers to the Armed Forces of the United States. It does not apply to the National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state’s governor. The U.S. Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is also not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act, primarily because the Coast Guard has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.
So military forces can be used for law enforcement duty, but only at the request of the President and with Congressional approval. So, was that asked for and given last week in Alabama, for that Jimmy Lee Dykes guy who was holding a 5yo boy hostage? I had not heard either way. Not that this would be the first time Posse Comitatus was violated in Alabama under Obama’s watch.
Hostage negotiations, especially those involving children, are always tricky, and trained government negotiators already have a secret bag of tricks that are not shared. In this case, news reporters aided the effort, as well, with many agreeing not to publicize movements of equipment and people in the Midland City, Ala., area so as not to spook Dykes.
But while more will surely be told about the ordeal in Alabama, which ended Monday with a late afternoon raid that saved Ethan but ended in the death of Dykes, it’s also clear that parts of the operation will remain shrouded in secrecy, given that it involved America’s most expert paramilitary counter-terrorism units collaborating with US special operations forces, under the direct authority of Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.
“This all rings of a unique covert operation,” says Randall Rogan, a crisis communications expert at Wake Forest University who has been following the story closely, adding the multiagency involvement is “atypical, quite honestly, for … what, after all, is not a significant terrorist event.”
There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:
* National Guard units and state defense forces while under the authority of the governor of a state;
* Troops used under the order of the President of the United States pursuant to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots.
* Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if civilian law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness. The only exemption is nuclear materials.
* Support roles under the Joint Special Operations CommandAlthough it is a military force, the U.S. Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not restricted by the Posse Comitatus Act. The Coast Guard enforces U.S. laws, even when operating as a service for the U.S. Navy.
Ok, a deranged kidnapper is dead, and a little kid is safe ... but the local cops could have, should have done the job. Or maybe with the help of the FBI, who I am sure has a whole bag of tricks and a warehouse full of neato high tech gear ... so why bring in soldiers? Of any kind?? Just one more instance of Libs going with the “pragmatic” solution, laws be damned.
This is no way to run a railway. Or a nation.
As usual, I’m late to the party. Freepers were all over this days ago, as was this site, which followed the story as it unfolded. Dykes is said to have had explosives, but nobody is saying he had nukes. Duh.
Oh look, FBI AGENTS in action at that bunker.
So let me toss out an OTOH - if the police have been fairly militarized and equipped, and the FBI has crews that are so militarized that you can’t tell them from soldiers even when they stand right in front of you, what’s the point? The lines are so blurred these days; Posse Comitatus may exist on paper, but it can have a nice end run done on it by groups like these. Or, as Hillary says, “What difference does it make?”
SOFREP covered this too, and seems to think it’s all hunky-dory. I think it’s time we tore up the Patriot Act, shut down the DHS, and put back up a couple of Jamie Gorlick’s walls. Take away Barney Fife’s machine gun and armored half-tank, and give him back his revolver and his one bullet. Put suits on the Feebs, not soldier’s uniforms. And keep the Army, Navy, and Air Force out of law enforcement. And that includes drones too. Ok, except maybe along the borders, the defense of which is arguably their job anyway.
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Permalink • Saturday - February 09, 2013
Women in combat?
What’s the problem?
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Permalink • Friday - February 08, 2013
Found It
I drive through Flemington NJ a couple of times every week. Up at the end of downtown, a couple blocks past the famous old courthouse, is the town’s little war memorial park. It’s on a little triangular island of land where three or four roads come together, right in front of the Presbyterian church. Like so many of them do, ours started out as a memorial to those who served in the Civil War but has had inscriptions added for each of the conflicts since. So it has a nice statue on a fancy plinth, a little walk around reflecting area, a flagpole, and of course an old cannon, pointing straight down Main Street. I don’t think anyone actually goes into the park to visit because it’s in the middle of a busy intersection, but we all see it all the time.
And for years I’ve been driving past it, and looking at that strange old cannon, and wondering what it was and when it was from. I’m no master of historic artillery, but I can tell the 1770s guns from the 1860s guns, and I can tell the difference between a naval gun, a coastal piece, and a field piece. (Ok, I also know a bit about Armstrong, Whitworth, Parrot, Borgard, Buffington, and the burst-proof laminated iron guns made by the good old Phoenix Iron Company who later used the same technology to make all those gorgeous little bridges around my county.) But this one always looked strange to me because it has an iron frame and what look like spring loaded hanging hooks sticking up above the carriage. It’s always been in the back of my mind to visit that little park one day, and see if I can’t read some maker’s data on the gun. But that never seemed to happen, and late last night I realized I really didn’t need to: I’ve got the whole world right here on my keyboard. Besides, my camera is still hiding in some box in the garage from when we moved, and it’s cold out. And snowing!! So start searching Drew.
Ok, what do I know? I know the carriage is made of metal, steel or iron, not wood, so this is probably post-Civil War design. So I started trying to Google up “cannon” and “field piece” with various dates. I also knew that by 1915 the US was using fully modern artillery, so my time range was 1870-1900. And I looked and I looked, and found everything under the sun except what I wanted. So it was back to square one. Hmmph. Ok, where is this thing? It’s in a park in Flemington. Fine, let’s Google “Flemington park cannon” ... and that started me in the right direction. It turns out that there are tons of little web pages made by folks who have a hobby called geo caching, where they go somewhere interesting, take down the coordinates on their GPS, then publish that location with some bit of a clue or a few pictures for others to go and take a look. And those that do, write comments on that page and a big discussion ensues. So I found one of those, and it lead me realize, DUH, that in this simplified age, the little park would be called a Soldier’s Monument instead of a War Memorial. Plug in those words. And ta-da. Mostly. A fellow UTwp resident had made a nice web page on the park, with a good picture of the field piece (I borrowed it above) and the thought that this was a 3” gun from the Spanish-American War. And he was right, mostly. The gun was actually from before the S-A War, had a 3.2” bore, and was technically obsolete when we sent it down there. But hey, so were our rifles and our food and our logistics and our medicine. That little war was the biggest FUBAR of the age. And with a bit more looking, I finally opened the floodgates. Heck, I found the user’s manual. I found the builder’s specs. I found photos of similar ones. And I even found a video of a bunch of 21st Century Americans literally having a blast shooting off real antique cannons which they own, shooting full power loads, with explosive shells. Legally. Was this a great country once or what?
The rest of the story below the fold, because this post will be long. But I’ll put in lots of pictures and data and links so hopefully it won’t be too boring. I hope. The whole post is another one of my “interesting history is all around you, open your eyes and amaze yourself at what you can learn if you try” posts.
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Permalink • Tuesday - January 22, 2013
taliban & left wing fruitcakes critical of prince . good. that means he’s doing well. kudos harry.
Damn hand wringing, bed wetting anti-war “activists”, and that’s only a partial description of those wankers. They are unhappy with England’s Prince Harry. Who btw, is a pretty cool dude as the young might say.
Anyway, compatible allies, the Taliban and the anti-war fruit cakes. Both are quite unhappy with some comments the prince made in an interview after his tour of duty in Afghanistan.
OK I do realize that some folks will be totally taken aback that soldiers find it necessary to kill people from time to time to time. But a Taliban spokesman and some anti-war lunatics do not think it is at all nice to say they do that sort of thing.
RCOB!
Here’s a comment from the Taliban. Those upstanding folks who only want us all to return to the 7th century. Is that asking so much?
Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the Taliban, told the Daily Telegraph that Harry was a ‘coward’ because his remarks were released only once he had left the country.
He added: ‘This statement is not even worth condemning. It is worse than that.
‘To describe the war in Afghanistan as a game demeans anyone – especially a prince, who is supposed to be made of better things.’
Harry did NOT describe the war as a game, btw. Typical tali bs.
Lindsey German, of the Stop The War Coalition added that the prince’s remarks were ‘crass’, and accused him of not knowing whether those he killed were in fact members of the Taliban.
‘In recent months many civilians have been killed by air strikes,’ she said. ‘This arrogant and insensitive attitude to killing Afghans, whoever they are, is hardly likely to win hearts and minds - a supposed aim of the war.
‘Prince Harry returns to a life of idleness and luxury, unlike most soldiers who face unemployment, austerity and social problems.’
Dear Lindsey, up yours you dumb assed slag. Hey, you feel so deeply about those poor folks, go on over there yourself. Yeah, and then preach no war or acid attacks against little girls trying to get themselves educated. Right. See how well you’ll do with that.
Please kill yourself Lindsey. You contemptible bag of ***t.
So, what the prince said that got some bleeding heart hand wringers all upset, and a Taliban spokesman falsely offended, was the following.
In an interview to mark the end of his four-month tour of duty as an Apache attack helicopter pilot, the third in line to the throne confirmed he had been directly responsible for the deaths of one or more insurgents as a co-pilot gunner.
Asked if he had killed from the cockpit of his £40million aircraft, the 28-year-old prince said matter-of-factly: ‘Yeah, so lots of people have. The squadron’s been out here. Everyone’s fired a certain amount.’
He suggests his skill at PlayStation computer games may have made him a better pilot.His admission that he killed insurgents is likely to be seized on by the Taliban for propaganda purposes. But the prince is unapologetic, saying: ‘Take a life to save a life, that’s what we revolve around. If there’s people trying to do bad stuff to our guys, then we’ll take them out of the game.
‘I’m not here on a free pass...our job out here is to make sure the guys are safe on the ground and if that means shooting someone who is shooting them, then we will do it.’
A senior Army source said: ‘Harry is flying an attack helicopter and that’s one of the jobs the guys do: Attack. It would be unthinkable for a gunner to go on a deployment and not have several engagements with the enemy. Of course he has killed.’
Showing appealing modesty about his obvious skills as a pilot, the Prince said his skills at sports and games helped pave the way for him to become a top pilot.
He said: ‘Exams were always a nightmare, but anything like kicking a ball around or playing PlayStation - or flying - I do generally find a little bit easier than walking, sometimes.
‘It’s a joy for me because I’m one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox, so with my thumbs I like to think that I’m probably quite useful.’
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Permalink • Saturday - December 08, 2012
The Warrior Song — Navy version
The Warrior Project has updated the Navy version. It’s a lot better. Can’t tell you how proud I am to have served six years with such awesome people.
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Permalink • Sunday - December 02, 2012
bah and humbug to 300 year old traditions. political correctness must be obeyed
Let be clear on one thing, he is serving this country in its military and so for that reason deserves some consideration.
BUT ….
As others have pointed out, he must have been aware of the conditions demanded and the dress code for the Guards. Personally, as a matter of style I find the turban looks better. But I’m not in the military and anyway, nobody asked or would give a damn what I like or don’t. It’s really not my business anyway. What bothers people and I’d agree, is that hundreds of years of Brit tradition MUST be put aside to accommodate another culture and religion.
Why can’t they accommodate that of their host country?
You can see here how even the military, at the very top, has grown very PC over time.
What next? A religious Jewish soldier who might insist on wearing a skull cap?
Why not? Better yet, why not simply allow the guards to scrap tradition altogether and just let everyone wear what is comfy for him or in the future, her, prefer to wear.
Something of their own design perhaps.
oh btw, in the photo here we see him when he was in training for another outfit and he was NOT wearing a turban. So just how urgent is the wearing of that item? Seems like exceptions can be made after all. Unless that is, you want to score a politically correct point.
Traditions hold cultures and countries together but, since this one is somewhat fractured anyway, what diff. will it make? Bah, humbug!
The British Army is embroiled in a damaging row after the first Sikh soldier allowed to wear a turban rather than a bearskin on ceremonial duties suffered abuse from his colleagues.
By Mark Nicol and Amanda Perthen
Guardsman Jatinderpal Singh Bhullar, 25, who joined the Scots guards this year, has been given permission to wear a turban outside Buckingham Palace, breaking hundreds of years of tradition.
The decision by Army bosses has proved controversial with Bhullar’s fellow soldiers. The Army’s Sikh chaplain has told The Mail on Sunday that Bhullar has endured taunts about his turban and his refusal to cut his hair and his beard.
Traditionalists in the Scots Guard say the allowances made for Bhullar will make the whole company look ridiculous to tourists and onlookers. The regiment traces its origins back to 1642 and its soldiers have worn bearskins on parade since 1832.
The Mail on Sunday was initially approached by serving non-commissioned officers based at Wellington Barracks, who were angry that the MoD had compromised centuries of history for the sake of one soldier.
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Permalink • Tuesday - November 13, 2012
Don’t Go There
I was just thinking about how much this thing with General Petraeus stinks of Chicago thuggery ... destroy the guy’s reputation just a day or two before he’s supposed to testify? Oh, and Oblamo didn’t know nuttin’ until Election Day or the day after?
Oh yeah, the Dems are out to destroy the military. Cuts in the budget, purge all the top brass. Wouldn’t want an effective fighting force you know.
And you know what would destroy the entire US Military faster than anything? Putting a lying two-faced scumbag anti-military traitor in charge. But surely they’d never go there, right?
I’m finishing off lunch watching Fox News, and talking head Megan Kelly is telling me how the Washington Post is reporting that the inside scoop around DC is that Obama wants to make John Fuckface Kerry the new Secretary of Defense.
Aw shit. She went there.
John Fuckin’ Kerry. Reporting for duty. He served in Vietnam you know.
Holy shit.
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Permalink • Sunday - November 11, 2012
stool pigeons turn in marines just for allowing an enemy to die. go marines and screw the stoolies
Meanwhile ion another part of the world with another military force.
A loud BOO to the dumb and unpatriotic fucks who want to bring charges against their own servicemen for merely letting an enemy vermin die.
I guess this is how the Brits now treat their own combat troops. Not the majority of the public. Just the suck a** miserable politically correct bastards who happen to stumble on a laptop and hear and see a brief conversation among the warriors. Stool pigeons. That’s what they are.
Take a look. Piss ant shits. Pisses me off and not even my country or military but hell. They do support us and have bled in the same damn fight. And when did the taliban sign up to rules of war? Or any rules but the ones they make?
Royal Marines murder trial: Body of Taliban fighter allegedly killed by five soldiers in Afghanistan may never be found
The body of the captive Afghan national allegedly murdered by five Royal Marines may never be found, it has emerged
Even if the remains are discovered, the identity of the Taliban fighter might never be known
A team of forensic scientists and military police has flown to Helmand to investigate the hugely sensitive murder claims
Details emerged after the five troops won a court battle to protect their anonymity during their trial due to risk to their lives from terrorists
Case has prompted a public backlash and protest marches across Britain demanding the charges against the soldiers be dropped
By David Williams
The body of an unidentified Taliban fighter allegedly murdered by five Royal Marines in Afghanistan may never be found, it emerged last night.
A team of forensic scientists and military police – protected by 120 soldiers – has flown to Helmand to investigate the hugely sensitive murder claims.
But the remains have still to be discovered and, even if they are, they may never be positively identified because nobody knows who he was.
Details of the extraordinary search in the warzone have emerged days after the five troops won a court battle to protect their anonymity during their forthcoming trial because of ‘an immediate and real risk’ to their lives from terrorists.
The Marines first appeared in court last month. They are accused of murdering a captured Afghan national on or about September 15 last year, and were charged after the discovery of video footage on one of the men’s computers, allegedly showing them discussing what to do with a gravely injured captive.
It is the prosecution case that the man – whose name does not appear on any charge sheet – was subsequently murdered. The case has prompted an enormous public backlash with a Facebook campaign attracting over 100,000 supporters and protest marches across Britain demanding the charges be dropped.
None of the accused can be identified after Judge Advocate General Jeff Blackett this week extended an anonymity order.
One protester, former Marine James Grant, 34 – a veteran of two tours in Afghanistan – said the charges against the five were unjust. He said: ‘They were doing their job in incredibly difficult circumstances.
Most of our politicians have not been out to Afghanistan and can never imagine what it is like to be at war.’
The case has focused attention too on the rules of engagement and how Britain applies the law to its servicemen and women operating under the pressures of the battlefield.
The Marines were part of a Commando Battle Group in and around Nad-e Ali, a rural area of Helmand that was once the Taliban’s heartland – an area stained with the blood of dozens of UK servicemen.
In an area known as Death Valley, their remote checkpoint base had come under fierce attack at least eight times and patrols from it were regularly ambushed.
In the six months leading up to the alleged killing last September, more than 20 troops had died in the province, seven of them Marines.
The small band of commandos – between 20 and 30 men – felt isolated in their mud-walled checkpoint, and are said to have stockpiled captured Taliban guns and ammunition in case their own ran out.
Morale across the Marines was dealt a further blow with the death of a popular comrade, James Wright, 23, on August 5 last year when a ten-man patrol was attacked by a force of around 80 Taliban in the Shpazh Gerebian region.
After four hours the patrol managed to pull back to their base with the help of air support and mortar fire. As is routine after a patrol, Wright had taken off his helmet ahead of an operational debrief.
It was then that the Taliban attacked again. Wright, a father-to-be, was fatally wounded in the head by a grenade.In the following days and weeks there were more attacks in Helmand; one base came under sustained fire for ten successive days. In mid-September the fanatics mounted another attack on an isolated base, leaving more than 20 Marines pinned down. It is the aftermath of this attack that is the focus of the investigations.
An Apache helicopter was called in and was able to end the Taliban assault. Once the fighting subsided, a gunman was found with severe wounds and allegedly close to death.
The video footage allegedly shows Marines discussing what to do with him. Several are said to have held a vote. The filming then stops.
Their options were to treat his wounds and ensure his evacuation to Camp Bastion or take him to their Forward Operating Base for treatment.
Last October the Marines returned home to a heroes’ welcome and, officials say, it is likely that whatever happened would have remained secret, had it not been for the arrest of one of the men by civilian police investigating a completely unrelated matter.
As part of that inquiry they seized his laptop, found the footage from the compound, and alerted the military.
Investigators have questioned officers and fellow Marines while Afghan interpreters are being traced.
The five Marines – known only as A, B, C, D and E – face a Court Martial and their initial appearance was behind closed doors in Bulford garrison on the edge of Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire.
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Permalink • Tuesday - October 23, 2012
on the front line with some battling brits
No Photoshop, no makeup, no glamour runway boobs falling out or caked with makeup,
some real women and this one at least still looks damn good to these tired old eyes just as she is.
OK .... NOW CLICK THE IMAGE FOR A LOT MORE TO SEE AND READ. MORE SEE THEN READ.
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Permalink • Sunday - October 14, 2012
unreasonable,outrageous brit military arrest their own just for allowing an enemy to quit breathing
How do I explain this one? I can’t. The west and in this particular case the Brit military, has arrested seven Royal Marines on suspicion of murder. So who’d they kill that counts as human? Someone described as, “an insurgent.” So the translation then would be, taliban. The murder charge is because the poor innocent rat bastard they shot, was wounded and they did not get medical help for the vermin. I’d say well done Marines. But no.
Apparently there’s something called rules of engagement that only our side has to follow, least people begin to think even less of us then they do at present. Thing was, the “insurgent” was attempting to ambush the Brit troops and was wounded and captured. Big mistook guys. Shouldda fired and cut him in half but not take him alive.
So now, these guys not only face a trial in a military court. Get this bit of pc lunacy. If for some reason the military court lets them off, they will then be tried, should the powers that leach decide, in a civilian court on civilian charges.
I do truly hate this fraked up world or at least, I hate what it’s become.
We aren’t talking major war crimes here. Just one sub-human life form who was trying to kill humans in the form of Brit Marines. As far as I am concerned, anyone who abuses, assaults, insults or attempts to kill a Brit soldier, should be made immediately terminal. As in, delete.
H/T iNewspaper
Formidable force: 42 Commando
The Royal Marines, although a formidable fighting force, do not have a reputation for brutality and their disciplinary record is better than most in the UK military. So there was a degree of surprise at the arrests of the seven men as murder suspects.
All the men being held are from 42 Commando, part of 3 Commando Brigade which was deployed in Helmand in the Nad-e-Ali and Nahr-e-Seraj districts last year in Operation Herrick 14.
The deployment, under Brigadier Ed Davis, saw some notable successes against the insurgency. However, the Marines also lost seven killed in action; all of them from 42 Commando, who had taken part in some of the heaviest fighting. It was the unit’s fourth tour of Afghanistan.
By the end of their tour the Marines had “interdicted” more than 2.5 tons of explosive material leading to a 43 per cent fall in insurgent attacks and a dozen active Taliban commanders were killed.
Now here’s where things get to be a bit weird.
It’s all down to porn on a laptop first, and apparently a recorded conversation among the troops which led to their troubles. Take a look.
Laptop porn investigation led to the arrest of Royal Marines
By Kim Sengupta
Seven Royal Marines were arrested on suspicion of the murder of a Taliban fighter in Helmand after police found footage on a laptop during a separate investigation into pornographic material, The Independent has learnt.
Examination of the computer by civilian police in the UK is said to have revealed images of a group of Marines in discussion about whether to provide medical aid to an injured Afghan lying on the ground.
The captive, who had sustained his injuries while attempting to ambush a patrol, later died.
The Independent understand that there were no images on the computer, which belongs to one of the arrested men, of the actual death of the insurgent.
An investigation was launched by the Royal Military Police and the seven men were all arrested on Thursday afternoon.All those arrested were serving with 42 Commando Royal Marines in Helmand, Operation Herrick 14, last year in the districts of Nahr-e-Seraj and Nad-e-Ali as part of 3 Commando Brigade.
The deployment, under Brigadier Ed Davis, had some notable successes against the insurgency.
However, the Marines also lost seven killed in action; all of them from 42 Commando, who had taken part in some of the heaviest fighting. It was the unit’s fourth tour of Afghanistan.The rules for UK forces in relation to detention and interrogation in Afghanistan are supposed to be in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.
Separately, there are rules of engagement laid down by the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), in Afghanistan that stipulate when the enemy can be deemed to be a threat allowing military action to take place.
A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: “These arrests demonstrate the MoD’s and the Armed Forces’ determination to ensure UK personnel act in accordance with their rules of engagement and our standards. It would be inappropriate to make any further comment while the investigation is under way.”
The decision on whether or not to bring charges will be decided by the Director of Service Prosecutions. The rules for the length of time that suspects can be detained and questioned are the same as civilian cases.
I found this brief update after seeing the above.
Four of the men have been released without charge pending further inquiries, while the others have been remanded in custody where they are likely to remain until being tried at a military court in the UK.
Philip Hammond, the Secretary of State for the Defence, said he was determined that the rules of engagement were followed in Afghanistan, telling the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “Everybody serving in theatre knows the rules of engagement, they carry cards in their uniforms with the rules on them in case they should need to remind themselves.”
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not enough sailors to man its submarines.
This was a London subway (underground to the Brits) poster from 1936.
Showing weapons of war, it’s expected to raise £5,000 at auction in October.
However …..
The image by artist Edward Wadsworth was withdrawn.
Serious business here folks.
The reason for withdrawal?
Ah well.
Some claims were made that it promoted militarism.
Whoa. Can’t have that going on.
Meanwhile, in a totally unrelated story.
Navy ‘running out of sailors to man submarines’
Britain’s nuclear deterrent is at risk because the Navy does not have enough sailors to man its submarines, Ministry of Defence officials admit.
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Internal documents warn that a lack of recruits for the Submarine Service may leave attack submarines and boats carrying the Trident nuclear missile stranded in port.
A separate threat comes from a predicted 15 per cent shortfall in engineers by 2015.
One in seven posts for weapons officers at the rank of lieutenant will also be vacant, raising operational questions over the boats equipped with nuclear and cruise missiles.
Many submariners are being poached by the civilian nuclear sector and those who remain are being forced to go to sea for longer and more frequently.
Adml Lord West, the former First Sea Lord, said the situation was “very worrying” and he hoped the Navy had mechanisms in place to make up for the shortfall.
Under the “Risk” heading of “Submarine Manpower”, the MoD’s internal safety watchdog said: “There is a risk that the RN will not have sufficient suitably qualified and experienced personnel to be able to support the manning requirement of the submarine fleet.”
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