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.45-60 Blogging: The 2 Cent Machine Shop

Ok. Last week I took a cut down .45-70 down to my chiropractor to test fit on his new Uberti 1876 in .45-60. While the action closed on the case, it was rather tight. This week I took in another case that I had thinned the front part of the rim down by a few thousandths. The action closed much easier. Question answered.

What question? According to the cartridge specifications, the .45-60 was designed to have a rim that was 0.059” thick. The .45-70 was designed to have a rim 0.070” thick. While the .45-60 is essentially a defunct round these days, the 135 year old .45-70 is still quite popular. The brass cases however, are almost always made with rims thinner than specified. They average 0.064”. Is that an Ok thickness for the .45-60, or does that one want something thinner?

An aside: I do not know why this is done, as the thickness of the rim is the only way to control headspace on this cartridge. For all you non-gun nuts, headspace is the amount of wiggle room a cartridge has within the chamber of the gun. You have to have some or else the ammo won’t fit in. But if you have too much accuracy will suffer. And if you have WAAY too much, you could have an explosion on your hands. Bad thing. You see, gunpowder generates a LOT of pressure in a very short time period. I’m talking about pressure up to 65,000psi in under a millisecond. When things work right, the igniting gunpowder builds up some pressure, which causes the springy brass cartridge to balloon out, fill the chamber entirely, and cling to the walls of it until the bullet has fired. After that pressures fall off super quickly, and the brass springs back to shape. If you have excessive headspace (ie a loose fit, either length or width) the cartridge can expand more than it should. For you scientific and engineering types, this is called “passing through the elastic deformation threshold and surpassing the plastic deformation threshold”. The rest of us call this a case rupture. In severe occurrences this means the gun blows up. In your face. Very bad! In less severe occurrences the rupture doesn’t hurt the gun, but it allows all that white hot burning powder gas to jet out the wrong way. Usually into your face. Very bad also!!

Ok, so to make .45-60 cases for this Uberti the rims need to be thinned. I did the first two by hand, with a file and a power drill. There used to be a saying in the computer world: “Do a task once, do it manually. Do it twice, develop a process. Do it three times or more, write a program.” The same concept applies to making things. Especially if you want them all identical. Since my doc is going to want 100 or so cases, it was time to build a machine. Hmm ... what to do? If I only had a Unimat milling machine! Yeah right, for $500? Not happening.

He has a drill press. Super! Set up properly, a drill press is almost as good as a milling machine or a lathe. So let’s think this through ...

Hmm ...

Ok, here’s a solution. I used a resizing die to hold the cases when I did them by hand. I chucked the end of the decap in a drill, stuck the case up the die until it was tight, then held a file in my hand and went at it. This worked, but it wasn’t easy. Or easily repeatable. And the case was only held by one end, so I wasn’t confident that it was centered. But I had no other choice, since the decap rod wasn’t long enough to both center the decappng pin in the case’s flash hole AND leave enough extra rod sticking out the other end to chuck into a drill.

Solution #1: use a longer decapping rod. The .45-70 is a fairly short case, only 2.105”. Most rifle cases are longer, some by more than a full inch. So the decapping rods for those cartridges have to longer. Die companies aren’t stupid, so all their rods are the same diameter irrespective of what cartridge they’re intended for. So I got out a longer rod, in this case from a .30-30. It was long enough.

Now, how do I hold it still? A lathe works by attaching the bit to be carved between two points, called centers. One center just spins, the other one is driven. Two centers keep the workpiece from wobbling. The longer decap rod could be set so that the decapping pin protruded about 3/16” of an inch. Fine. Good enough. Take a bit of 2x4 and tap in a 6d finishing nail, then pull it out. Ta da, it’s a center. So now I’ve got a gizmo that will hold the case perfectly in a drill press. Just set the stop nuts on the press, and we can file the rims all day long. But how will I know when the rims are thin enough, without stopping a million times to measure? hmm ...

Solution #2: find some spacers. So I’m looking around with my calipers for thin things that are strong enough. Cardboard is out. Plastic is out. Ah ha! It turns out that a penny is just about exactly the right thickness. So I epoxied two of them to the 2x4, one on each side of the nail hole. They will support a small mill file. Cool! I’m almost there. Now, how to I make it screw-up proof? The last thing you want to do is cut into the web of the case while thinning the rim. That could weaken things, and might cause a rupture. Bad. So let’s put some stops in place. Ah, a couple of finishing nails should do it. Now I can’t cut too deep, I can’t cut too narrow, and I can’t cut out of squareness.

And that’s all it took. 2 pennies, 2 nails, and a chunk of scrap wood. And now I can thin hundreds of case rims to exactly the right thickness, nice and square, exactly the same every time. All I have to do is turn on the drill press and just lower the file until it stops. I don’t even need to stroke the file back and forth. See? I told you this was going to be a fun little project!

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Untrimmed full length .45-70 case shown with the sizing die and the extra long decapping rod.

Decapping pin fits in the little hole between the two coins. The other end goes in the drill press



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Production mock-up. Pretend the blue pen is a small triangular mill file.

The two nails stop the file from cutting in too far,

while the two pennies limit the depth that the file can cut.

Result: easy repeatability. Cost: 2 cents plus some scraps


Next I have to figure out a no cost way to trim the cases lengthwise. Carving off a quarter of an inch with a hand trimmer isn’t hard, but it takes several minutes. Fug that, let’s find a way to do it in 5 seconds. You can’t use a pipe cutter though, because the case is slightly tapered and the cutter will just slip off the end. I think. I’ll find out tomorrow!

UPDATE:

Why put off for tomorrow what you can design today? This should do the trick. It’s just a block of wood with a groove in it, with a hacksaw blade screwed to the top. It just has to be cut or sanded to the proper height. I figure 1.92”, which leaves just 0.03” to trim off with the case trimmer. That’s like 10 spins. A similar collet arrangement would hold the case in place in the drill press. Actually, in the pictures above you can see the collet that holds the decapping rod in the sizing die. It’s the bit with the bolt head on it. On the inside that collet is just about the right size. A few wraps of duct tape will snug things up tight. Then just slide the case up around the tool, start the drill, slide the cutter over, and it will cut through the case, which is only 0.011” thick brass, in a couple seconds.

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Yup, the collet thingy works fine. Now to build the cut off tool.

It wouldn’t be a home project if it didn’t involve duct tape!


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